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Trying to do GOOD contributing to the database and getting my offers declined... (?!?)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantSupersympa
Registered: September 21, 2010
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Hi everybody!
I tried being GOOD adding directors to French editions of Disney and Pixar animation movies but was surprised to have my contributions declined. The reason? "Use of a third party database is not allowed per the contribution rules." Well...the name of the director is NOT on the dvd so I do have to get the information somewhere...And the informations I contributed are small but double-checked and correct so why shouldn't others benefit from it??? Why are my offers declined?
I'm not trying to say that I'm right and that the person who supervised my entries is wrong (Nothing to do with that - although this is precisely the reason I am writing.) So to get to the point:  If I'm being good, If I take time adding Data for everyone but my contributions are declined then why contribute in the first place? Thank you for your answers.
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What did you put in your notes? Where did you get the info from?

Per Rules you must take the info from the actual DVD credits. Not a place like IMDB or similar. You have to actually put the disc in the machine and run the opening/end credits. I never seen the director not credited in either the opening or end credits. Especially on something as big as Disney.
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Directors are part of the Crew section. For Crew, only credits that are actually present on disc in the film's credits can be submitted, according to the Contribution Rules.

If you took them from elsewhere, or if you DID take them from the actual film credits but did not say so in your contribution notes, then the screeners had no alternative but to decline your contribution.

For any future submissions, please make sure you follow the contribution rules and state your sources in your contribution notes, and all will be fine.
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Right... Thank You dee1959jay... that is something I should have mentioned. If there is crew not credited on the film... we can not add them at this time per Rules... as there is no way to mark them as uncredited.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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If there is crew not credited on the film... we can not add them at this time per Rules...

We sure can in some cases - it's really not that black and white. See Ken's post here.
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Yeah sure... he said in that case. But there is nothing said here in the OP to make you think it is even anything like that case. How often have you seen a legitimate release of a Disney Flick with no crew credits what so ever?
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But there is nothing said here in the OP to make you think it is even anything like that case.

Actually, there was. He said, and I quote, "the name of the director is NOT on the dvd". Mind you: I'm not at all saying this likely applies here - I'm fairly certain that it doesn't - but I just wouldn't want to create the impression that there's absolutely no way (uncredited) crew can ever be entered into any profile. Because that's not true.
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I guess that is all in how you read Ken's statement as he said...

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I see no problem listing the cast (as uncredited) and crew from the official site in this case.


See the portion that I put in bold. Read that literally as it is written he said in that case. Not in cases such as that... so reading it literally he would have to say yes or no on a case by case basis. Not decide whether it is a similar case or not and do accordingly.
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I read the op that just one credit was missing.
The statement was for a movie wihtout any credits.

So Imho the "normal" ruling works in this case.

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Do not contribute uncredited crew members, as they can not be identified with (uncredited) as they are in the cast section. If you wish to see these uncredited crew members in your local database you can do so, but do not include them in contributions to the main database.
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Thank you for your time and answers.
Okay, I noted that I should get my infos from opening or ending credits. BUT what about when the info is not on the DVD? You take a 1937 movie for example, production year is NOT there, if you're interested, you DO have to get the info somewhere...
I thought that DVD profiler would accept informations MISSING from the Data base and that it would validate the information after "x" number of votes. 
Personally, I contributed to foreign editions of DVDs (adding Directors) that are ALREADY in DVD Profiler for U.S. editions so I still find my contributions should have been added in some ways.
I understand why they were declined but if I, or other people, contribute the right informations, I think they should be checked and added, iIt would be better for everybody :-D
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Personally, I contributed to foreign editions of DVDs (adding Directors) that are ALREADY in DVD Profiler for U.S. editions so I still find my contributions should have been added in some ways.
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To copy information from an existing profile is allowed, but these contributions should be also checked against the current credit.
So if the Director credit is not listed in your version of the movie, it can't be contributed.

But it is very uncommon that this credit is missing in beginning and end credits.
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It can be confusing at times. The more you contribute the easier it gets so don't get discouraged.

The best and most accurate source for the data is, of course, the DVD itself. So, get as much information as you can from the DVD.

If you only enter this data, and document that this is where you got the information, your contribution should be accepted every time.

It is only when you get into data that is NOT available on the DVD or its cover that problems arise. You can contribute this data but the correct way to do it can get confusing.

Many things are not found on the DVD such as SRP, CoO, Production Years, etc. Sometimes films list the actor's name but not roles.

Excluding Crew, which has been touched on by others, the data must be found in other places.

In those cases you need to familiarize yourself with

Quoting dee1959jay:
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Contribution Rules.


as well as Collected Statements from Invelos on contribution discussions found here: http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=430575.

It is important to remember that if you take information from an outside source (such as IMDb, TCM.com, amazon.com etc.) that you confirm that data using multiple sources.

There are reasons for this - including legal ones - that this is required. It also helps to insure the data is accurate if multiple sources confirm the information.

If you still have questions, or are unsure of something, you can always come to the forums and ask.

I think these posts give you a guideline of how to get your contributions accepted. It really isn't that difficult once you get used to it.

Good luck!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormdnitoil
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There are cases, particularly with older films, where primary crew aren't credited due to the abbreviated nature of the credits back then.  Locally, I might add a couple if the source is unimpeachable.  For me this is generally Academy Award nominees.  If they're in the running for their industry's highest honor for work on a given film, I feel reasonably confident they actually did the work.  I end up keeping this data local and never contribute it because Profiler rules for the online are simply a starting point.  That plus it's just not worth the pain of dealing with this forum.  The biggest thing to remember is, around here we only want accurate information so long as it follows the rules.  Never confuse this with only wanting accurate information.  Any information, accurate or not, that doesn't follow the rules, we don't want.  It can be very confusing for new people.
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