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Do we add Ratings Detail to Unrated/NR-rated profiles now? |
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Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | Whether by convention or by (prior) Rule we didn't add Rating Detail (e.g. "For Violence and Language") when the disc had a rating of NR.
Since Unrated was added i've seen a couple submissions with Unrated or NR plus Ratings Detail found on the packaging.
I don't particularly mind mixing them and the Rules (at least now) don't prohibit having Unrated/NR with Ratings detail. But is that the right answer? | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | For the most part no. Not if say it is details from a rated version then those details belongs to those ratings. Though there is times when an NR rated movie may have it's own. On those rare occasions they would be allowed. I don't see it very often... but if it looks something like this... Then yes it should be used... I always use a note something like... "This is a rare occasion where a Not Rated Disc has it's own details." | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | That doesn't make sense to me. If a film has been rated "R" for sex and violence, say, and then is released together with an unrated version - are you really saying there won't be any sex and violence in the unrated version as well?
I would say it's perfectly reasonable to add the rating details. You're just as much describing why the film hasn't been rated as much as you are. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,678 |
| Posted: | | | | The rating details are not a general description of the movie. It's an explanation given by the MPAA (or equivalent rating board) as to why the movie was rated the way it was. If there is no rating, then it follows that there can be no explanation from the rating board for said rating.
As I have said before, shoehorning in imaginary data (in this case a "rating" that is not a rating) has consequences... | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,550 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: That doesn't make sense to me. If a film has been rated "R" for sex and violence, say, and then is released together with an unrated version - are you really saying there won't be any sex and violence in the unrated version as well?
I would say it's perfectly reasonable to add the rating details. You're just as much describing why the film hasn't been rated as much as you are. Well, in the instances where there are two rated versions on a disc, it can change so it's not unreasonable to think it could happen with a rated one vs. unrated. Take for instance Terminator Salvation. The one version was rated PG-13 for "Intense Sequences of Sci-Fi Violence and Action, and Language" while the R-rated one was for "Some Violence and Brief Nudity". So the R-rated one has no language now? Is the violence now less "intense"? Another example, though on separate discs, is Daredevil: PG-13 for "Action/Violence and Some Sensuality" and R for "Violence and Language". Action and Sensuality was dropped but Language was added. Point is, things in the rated version may or may not apply to the Unrated one so I don't think those details belong. Yes, more often than not the details probably pertain but how do we determine when? I say rather than guessing just apply any details associated with the unrated version. Quoting GSyren: Quote: The rating details are not a general description of the movie. It's an explanation given by the MPAA (or equivalent rating board) as to why the movie was rated the way it was. If there is no rating, then it follows that there can be no explanation from the rating board for said rating.
As I have said before, shoehorning in imaginary data (in this case a "rating" that is not a rating) has consequences... That is true as well. | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: That doesn't make sense to me. If a film has been rated "R" for sex and violence, say, and then is released together with an unrated version - are you really saying there won't be any sex and violence in the unrated version as well?
I would say it's perfectly reasonable to add the rating details. You're just as much describing why the film hasn't been rated as much as you are. This is why I keep all rating details locked and local, over 90% of unrated would get the same reasons, and of teh remaining 10%, 90% of those are just more of the same. I've tried this arguement and lost, so I keep em local now unless it's unrated only with reasons, then I include them. My current up for vote AVP BD audit is the last of including details when both versions are there. | | | Last edited: by bigdaddyhorse |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: The rating details are not a general description of the movie. It's an explanation given by the MPAA (or equivalent rating board) as to why the movie was rated the way it was. If there is no rating, then it follows that there can be no explanation from the rating board for said rating.
As I have said before, shoehorning in imaginary data (in this case a "rating" that is not a rating) has consequences... Gunner: It's not imaginary data according to the screen cap posted by Pete. It's right there on the cover. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,678 |
| Posted: | | | | Skip,
What I meant was that "Not Rated"and "Unrated" are not really ratings, as defined by the MPAA. As such they are imaginary, even if they happen to be on the cover. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | On that I will agree, BUT they are Profiler ratings and as such if additional ratings advisory does appear, such as pete's example then yes it should be used. Now how I feel personally about the whole subject is anoither matter entirely. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: Skip,
What I meant was that "Not Rated"and "Unrated" are not really ratings, as defined by the MPAA. As such they are imaginary, even if they happen to be on the cover. While this is true, the rules don't require that they be MPAA ratings. The only requirement for ratings is that it be printed on the case. Of course, it has to be one of the ones built into the program but that's about it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,678 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, Skip, I disagree, on the grounds that it's illogical. Rating details for something that has no rating is like saying "I have no car, and it's blue". But that's just me, I guess. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Gunnar: LOL, I don't put them there, it's not my fault. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: Rating details for something that has no rating is like saying "I have no car, and it's blue".
But that's just me, I guess. I would say that's not a wholy accurate analogy. Try this one: Rated: I've been in that night club, and it's noisy. Not Rated: I'm not going into that night club, because it's noisy. That's the way I see it anyway. | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | I would prefer we did list them. The idea of added "unrated" was to give more information. As far as I'm concerned, Blade Trinity being listed as "unrated" under the current rule is less informative than "Rated R for Strong pervasive violence and language, and some sexual content" under the old rule. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Ace: You should at least pick a title that has an associated Unrated Advisory information withit,which Blade Trinity does not. Like the screen cap that Pete posted that very clearly has Advisory data togo with the Not Rated. Applying a non-existent advisory would be purely fictional and would belong ONLY in your local, don't presume that your made up advisory would have any significance for anyone beyond yourself. I still wonder what all the hubbub is about I KNOW why Blade Trinity is Unrated to me, I also not that it is Unrated, I don't need Profiler to tell me that. If my 12 year old grandson brought my copy of Blade Trinity and told me he wanted to watch it, I would not need to refer to Profiler for that answer, the answer would be NO!!!!! Sometimes I think we have become way to reliable on Programs, the government, The MPAA or whatever body you want to refer to be our Nanny as we aren't capable of this stuff on our own. I suppose one might ask why my 12-year old grandson might evenbe able to pull Blade Trinity from the shelf, well, I am not set up a special storage closet for only my unrated material to go into or my R and Unrated. That's crazy. I do my own policing of my library, when it's not in storage | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: Skip,
What I meant was that "Not Rated"and "Unrated" are not really ratings, as defined by the MPAA. As such they are imaginary, even if they happen to be on the cover. While this is true, the rules don't require that they be MPAA ratings. The only requirement for ratings is that it be printed on the case. Of course, it has to be one of the ones built into the program but that's about it. Once again, Martian it is comments like this that are counter-productive. Instead of even saying something like it is not required but it sure is helpful. You simply encourage users to NOT work as a team, and work for the benefit of each other. If I don't have to do this then why should I. I am certainly glad I have NEVER in my life taken that lackadaisical attitude, I have always looked at the standard and then exceeded it. I never would have been successful as a Salesman or Sales Manager if I took the attitude of "well, here it is halfway month and I have met my goal, I get the rest of the month off. I'm sorry, Mr. Martian, I have met my sales goal for the month, I don't HAVE to sell you this refrigerator. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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