I was always under the impression that all Music and Songs have to have been written specifically for the film to be credited under the rules

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Quoting ninehours:

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I was always under the impression that all Music and Songs have to have been written specifically for the film to be credited under the rules

That would be correct.  Since this song was not written specifically for this movie, it should not be included.

Agreed.

Quoting ninehours:

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I was always under the impression that all Music and Songs have to have been written specifically for the film to be credited under the rules

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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I agree, the movie was based on the Music, the Music was not written FOR the movie.

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Confused on this note,  I thought anything performed in the film or any film of this nature would get writing and composing credits ..
What about South Pacific?  that stage play debuted 9 years before the film , yet I see Richard Rogers gets credit in the data for the film ,, .

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Confused on this note,  I thought anything performed in the film or any film of this nature would get writing and composing credits ..
What about South Pacific?  that stage play debuted 9 years before the film , yet I see Richard Rogers gets credit in the data for the film ,, .

The rule is fairly clear...

Composer - Used for the composer of the film's Original Score
Song Writer - Original Songs, written specifically for the film

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So for Mamma Mia (or any musical, as we come to that) all music credits have to be removed.
Because there's usually no song in the movie that was written for the film. 

Usually I'd say that if the composition is worth a credit I'd enter it, but of course, the MadMartian is correct, if you interpret the rule strictly to it's word they must not be entered.

I'm just not sure that many users do this:
E.G.: Benny Andersson has 71 titles where he's supposed to be credited as composer, most of them are music compilations of old ABBA-songs.
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Stephen Sondheim is entered in 57 profiles of Sweeney Todd (which seem to be about all that are in the database).

So: Yes, the MadMartian is correct, but there should be (not "is") an exception for music based films like "The Wall", "Mamma Mia!", "Sweeney Todd", etc.

Does anyone else think, that we should take this over to the "Rules Committee"?

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Quoting goblinsdoitall:

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Does anyone else think, that we should take this over to the "Rules Committee"?

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt 

ROFLMAO

My wife went to Florida again, and i never get a T-Shirt.

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I can understand we don't include credits for (non-original) songs that are just background.

But for material that is central to the movie (or almost is the movie), like The Wall and Mamma Mia, leaving out the credits makes no sense to me.

edit: and yes, of course, I understand my sense is not common sense. 

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Never had a problem with this rule. It's very simple: Was the music written for the film? [Yes/No]

Why do we have to make it any more complicated than it has to be?

When the Tigers Broke Free" (also listed as "When the Tygers Broke Free") is a Pink Floyd song by Roger Waters, describing the death of his father Eric Fletcher Waters, during World War II's Operation Shingle. The song was written at the same time as The Wall, hence its copyright date of 1979, but not released until the movie version of Pink Floyd's album The Wall and first released as a separate track on a 7" single on 26 July 1982 (running ~2:55), before appearing in The Wall film.  **(The Movie was released during the first half of 1982 . )**

The 7" was labelled "Taken from the album The Final Cut" but was not included on that album until the 2004 CD reissue.

The song made its first CD appearance on a promotional disc in conjunction with Roger Waters' 1990 live performance of The Wall at Potsdamer Platz in Berlin. This was the original Pink Floyd recording from the Wall movie, and had a running time of 3:00. It would be generally released on CD with a duration of 3:42 on Pink Floyd's 2001 compilation album Echoes: The Best of Pink Floyd. After that, the next time the song appeared was on the 2004 re-released, remastered version of The Final Cut, where it rests between "One of the Few" and "The Hero's Return", this time an edited version of 3:16.

The song sets up the story premise for The Wall movie, set over footage recreating the British contribution to the Anzio campaign's Operation Shingle, where Allied forces landed on the beaches near Anzio, Italy with the goal of eventually liberating Rome from German control. These forces included C Company of the Royal Fusiliers, in which Waters' father Eric served. As Waters tells it, the forward commander had asked to withdraw his forces from a German Tiger I tank assault, but the generals refused, and "the Anzio bridgehead was held for the price / Of a few hundred ordinary lives" as the Tigers eventually broke through the British defence, killing all of C Company, including Eric Waters.
In the second verse of the song (which makes up the reprise later in The Wall film), Waters describes how he found a letter of condolence from the British government, described as a note from King George in the form of a gold leaf scroll which "His Majesty signed / In his own rubber stamp." Waters' resentment then explodes in the final line "And that's how the High Command took my Daddy from me".

The underlying theme of the song is one of the primary catalysts for the character Pink's descent into isolation and insanity throughout the story of The Wall, especially in the film version.

Now to quote yourself.. "Why do we have to make it any more complicated than it has to be? "
doesn't make sense in what I have laid out here.. 
It's like no one knew this song existed and  was more appropriate to the MOVIES final meaning..