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Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,998 |
| Posted: | | | | "Guy Gibson" is credited in the following 2 titles (5 profiles):
The Dam Busters 1954 013131-494198 The Dam Busters 1954 7-321900-380867 The Dam Busters 1954 7-321900-380867 The Dam Busters 1955 I5BEC9C04D0D7E94B The Dam Busters: The War Collection 1955 I2FB3FE1F17FBD507
"Wing Comdr. Gibson" is credited in the following 1 titles (3 profiles):
The Dam Busters 1955 5-050582-227031 The Dam Busters 1955 5-055201-808547 The Dam Busters: The War Collection 1955 5-060034-577201 I have him in 2 profiles both of them the name on disc is "Wing Comdr. Gibson" can anyone who has one of the profiles with "Guy Gibson" confirm that credit is correct, also there are three profiles the have the release year as 1954? |
| Registered: December 16, 2007 | Posts: 926 |
| Posted: | | | | UPC: 5-050582-227031 (Printed on disc is 1955).
If this is what you mean: Cast/OMB:
Cast: Richard Todd as Wing Commander Guy Gibson, V.C., D.S.O., D.F.C. (opening- and end credits)
Crew: Based on Wing Comdr. Gibson's own account in "Enemy Coast Ahead". |
| Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,998 |
| Posted: | | | | Sorry, yes i'm talking about his crew credit (OMB) just want to find out if the Guy Gibson credits are correct thereby making the common name "Guy Gibson" |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | "If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use the film itself, or another source to identify the role. However, mass copy from a third party commercial database which violates their stated usage license is not allowed. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited." We are not talking about an actor's name but the ROLE that he played. Dam Busters like many (if not most) films of the era; did not include Roles in the credit listings. The Rules specify how these can be dealt with, unfortunately this also presents a situation where the Roles may vary based upon sources, modification of data, etc. This does not seem a big deal to me. Is there some reason why this is being presented as a problem, surely we aren't going to be searching (or filtering) on roles and since any kind of searching has thuis far been totally irrelevant relative to the Online; what difference is it if the one you OWN has the role listed as Guy Gibson and the one someone else has is listed as Wing Comdr. Gibson. There are also instances just as with Actors, that roles may very from one version of locality of a film to the next, this is something to worry about, we need to stop fo;;iowing the film credits now and start following some arcane Rule about both name and roles being universally identical...REGARDLESS of what the credits OR the Rules may have to say. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Well nine, what we need to determine then is what the ACTUAL credit says for each and every copy/version FIRST. You can only verify the one that you own.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,998 |
| Posted: | | | | I am talking about his crew credits (thought I'd made that obvious by including the CLT results in my original post) the whole point of this post IS to get the people who have the Guy Gibson profiles to check the ACTUAL credits to see if they are correct? | | | Last edited: by ninehours |
| Registered: December 16, 2007 | Posts: 926 |
| Posted: | | | | Woola, you're wrong about films of this era not having end credits: British movies from those years have very often end credits (probably a union rule). Very strict, those British unions. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Railroaded: You missed it. It is very uncommon for films of that error to have what we refer to as Standard Credits...Actors + Roles. Twas far more common place ti have , some form of Cart list, sometimes, fron, sometimes back, sometimes both, but without ROLES. Roles back in those days were not really uncommon or unheard of as part of the credits, but they were distinctly less common than the listings without Roles. Good lord it would be nice if just for once, instead of being attacked or sometjhing, someone would actually comprehend what I type. I may be smarter than the average bear....but not all that smart. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: December 16, 2007 | Posts: 926 |
| Posted: | | | | But you sound (or rather read) each day more Joycean, Skip. If instead of that you would read like Gertrude Stein it would be a lot easier for a simple bloke like me. Just annotate your own writings in the future, please. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | The Dam Busters 1954 7-321900-380867
which you list twice:
he is credited as Wing Commander Guy Gibson, V.C., D.S.O., D.F.C.
not Wing Cmdr and not VC, DSO, DFC
This is the disc ID 8C8E-0E47-CE21-09A7
Note also all the other decorations and knighthoods have '.' separators and Barnes Wallis is actually credite as Doctor B. N. Wallis, C.B.E., F.R.S. and Barnes is not spelled out.
Looks like this one needs a thorough checking out as abbreviations have been introduced from ages ago when the name field was too short and also errors generally crept in. | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong | | | Last edited: by Voltaire53 |
| Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,998 |
| Posted: | | | | OK maybe a picture will help, this is the crew credit i mean |
| Registered: December 16, 2007 | Posts: 926 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, that matches my information. So everything's OK now | | | Last edited: by railroaded |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I have a hard time believing that the opening title screen was changed for the other DVD releases. The more likely scenario is that the credits were copied from IMDb, which lists him as 'Guy Gibson (book)'.
The correct entry, based on your screen cap, should be 'Wing Comdr./ /Gibson - OMB'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 599 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote: Railroaded:
You missed it. It is very uncommon for films of that error to have what we refer to as Standard Credits...Actors + Roles. Twas far more common place ti have , some form of Cart list, sometimes, fron, sometimes back, sometimes both, but without ROLES. Roles back in those days were not really uncommon or unheard of as part of the credits, but they were distinctly less common than the listings without Roles.
Good lord it would be nice if just for once, instead of being attacked or sometjhing, someone would actually comprehend what I type. I may be smarter than the average bear....but not all that smart.
Skip Now I know that you're going to perceive this post as a personal attack, but I assure you that I'm only giving you some constructive criticism. If you feel that everyone here misinterprets what you are typing, it might be that you fail to preview your posts before hitting the submit tab. In your post which I have quoted above, I highlighted in bold type the mistakes made in spelling. Also, grammatically this sentence... Twas far more common place ti have , some form of Cart list, sometimes, fron, sometimes back, sometimes both, but without ROLES....should read... T'was far more commonplace to have some form of Cart list; sometimes front, sometimes back or both (without Roles). You can't blame people for not understanding what you write, when said people have to re-read a post two or three times to decipher it. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Antares: Quote: Twas far more common place ti have , some form of Cart list, sometimes, fron, sometimes back, sometimes both, but without ROLES.
...should read...
T'was far more commonplace to have some form of Cart list; sometimes front, sometimes back or both (without Roles).
You can't blame people for not understanding what you write, when said people have to re-read a post two or three times to decipher it. If you are going to criticize someone, for the errors in their post, you better be darned sure you didn't make any yourself. We deal with cast lists, not cart lists. I don't even know what a cart list might be. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 810 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting Antares:
Quote: Twas far more common place ti have , some form of Cart list, sometimes, fron, sometimes back, sometimes both, but without ROLES.
...should read...
T'was far more commonplace to have some form of Cart list; sometimes front, sometimes back or both (without Roles).
You can't blame people for not understanding what you write, when said people have to re-read a post two or three times to decipher it. If you are going to criticize someone, for the errors in their post, you better be darned sure you didn't make any yourself. We deal with cast lists, not cart lists. I don't even know what a cart list might be. Ask Skip, it is from his post. Be that as it may, this question is about a crew credit, not a cast credit. pdf | | | Paul Francis San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
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