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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | If, according to the credits, a film has multiple filming locations do we include those crew members in the database?
For example: The Big Tease UPC 085391-742821
The credits read "Filmed on location in SCOTLAND & LOS ANGELES". The Scotland crew is then listed.
I have found that the other location often has second units, which I know is not allowed, but should both locations first unit crew members be given credit? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Are you suggesting that there is no other crew credits than thopse that are related to the Scotland or LA Locations?  That would be highly unusual. We don't lst any location units, but if it's as you seem to describe, which I doubt, then we would have to figure out which is primary production unit. I can't say that I have ever seen what you seem to be describing. All I have ever seen is primary data, coupled with lists for location / unit crews. If it is as I suspect the answer is NO to Unit / Location Crew. If it is as you seem to be describing I would have no clues. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | BTW Kathy the reason for this is we currently cannot define the data as Unit/location or (uncrdeited), therefore the data is near wortless and only serves to make the proper data UNCLEAR. As near as I can tell, the data appears in a relatively standard form, so the question becomes why are you wishing to shoehorn in different data which we jhave never allowed to data, maybe next week with new version  but not yet. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | If there really is no other crew listed than the location crews, I am clueless  If there is another crew listed, do not enter the location crews  cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry, I should have been clearer. The LA crew is listed first but then the credits read "Filmed on location in SCOTLAND & LOS ANGELES" and so it made me wonder since this was something I don't remember seeing before.
I have contributed this contribution but did NOT include the Scotland data but I'm still curious as to what others thought. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| | Posted: | | | | In the rules, the only unit exclusions are for unit directors and unit photographers. Location sound mixers are specifically included. You may include both the Scotland and LA crews.
If there was one set of art and sound crew that was unlabeled and others that were, I would include only the unlabeled crew. But if for example the only art and sound crews are under the Scotland and LA headings, I would include both. | | | ...James
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| Registered: May 14, 2007 | | Posts: 455 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would be interested to see the credits on this one. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
In the rules, the only unit exclusions are for unit directors and unit photographers. Location sound mixers are specifically included. You may include both the Scotland and LA crews.
If there was one set of art and sound crew that was unlabeled and others that were, I would include only the unlabeled crew. But if for example the only art and sound crews are under the Scotland and LA headings, I would include both. And you would be wrong. But i do understand your position, all too well. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting leo1963: Quote:
I would be interested to see the credits on this one. As would I. While I understand what James and Skip are saying, it is hard for me to form an educated opinion one way or the other.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting leo1963:
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I would be interested to see the credits on this one.
As would I. While I understand what James and Skip are saying, it is hard for me to form an educated opinion one way or the other. I'm interested to see the credits too. I've done the credits for a film recently (and it's bugging me because I can't remember which right now) where the sound and art credits were each under names such as Kathy mentions. If you didn't include both, you'd have none. And there were additional unit crews which I ignored. But I included the 2 main crew sets. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | One other thing, could someone please point out where the rules are concerning this data. The only relevant rules I could find was listed under "Credits" > "Crew" and, as James pointed out, the only exclusions are the unit directors and photographers.
I posted this thread because I do not see any rules that deal specifically with this matter and I wonder what is the correct way to contribute data following the rules invelos has in place.
I do NOT want this thread to become a point of contention or derogatory or inflammatory comments. Please be polite and keep your comments on topic. Thank you.
Edit: I don't know how to do a screen shot - sorry. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | James:
We could not know what we did not know relative to Unit/Location credits, had we realized that we would have made the oprohibition mush broader. But for you to continue,, to exploit the Rules as you do, to allow for data of choice is simply unconscionable, we have no way to clarify this data, to explain what is Unit or Location or to separate them primary production is just wrong and completely muddies the data.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting leo1963:
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I would be interested to see the credits on this one.
As would I. While I understand what James and Skip are saying, it is hard for me to form an educated opinion one way or the other.
I'm interested to see the credits too. I've done the credits for a film recently (and it's bugging me because I can't remember which right now) where the sound and art credits were each under names such as Kathy mentions. If you didn't include both, you'd have none. And there were additional unit crews which I ignored. But I included the 2 main crew sets. James: I would like very much if you could remeber the film because I would be willing to bet that after a careful study of the credits, what you might believe to be unit sound is in fact primary production. I think I know the type of credit you are talking about, it is in fact fairly common but a careful study will usually reveal the separation of the Sound from the Unit crew.. I too am extremely curious about this credit list since the profile already has crew data listed. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
One other thing, could someone please point out where the rules are concerning this data. The only relevant rules I could find was listed under "Credits" > "Crew" and, as James pointed out, the only exclusions are the unit directors and photographers.
I posted this thread because I do not see any rules that deal specifically with this matter and I wonder what is the correct way to contribute data following the rules invelos has in place. Nobody can point out where the rules, concerning the prohibition of unit crew, are because they don't exist. It is a made up rule. I am sorry, but it is. That being said, can you give a more detailed description as to how the credits are formatted? You said that the LA crew was listed first, then the statement about the locations, then the Scotland crew. I need to know whether or not the LA crew has a heading that states it is the LA crew or are they just listed like a normal credit roll. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yep, let;s ignore that we didn't know what we di't know. let's just start plugging whatever data anybody wats to plug-in regardless of the utter uselessness of that data since we cannot delineate what kind of a credit it is. Let's just keep manipulating the database until we are as useless as IMDb.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Posted: | | | | Nevermind | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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