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For Finnish users mainly, keep your covers, I'll keep mine. |
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Registered: August 4, 2008 | Posts: 7 |
| Posted: | | | | Goodbye and thank you, I have got enough after sending hundreds of covers. Somekind of mafia seems to decide what is more or less better cover as existing. Example: three votes yes, one no, results is declined. Frustrating work..Keep your covers, I keep mine. I will use the programme but I will send any more covers. I appriciate democracy and when the result is clear but covers are declined I think it's not fair. On the other hand I don't care if someone don't like better covers because the own one is the last approved one. Programme is great but this small group which decide... goodbye, keep your covers, I don't want to waste my time for sending cover. | | | Last edited: by Stidi |
| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | A majority verdict doesn't come into it at all. There can be 30 "Yes" votes & 1 "No" vote and it can still be declined. If the "No" was valid then it was rightly declined. I've had a few scans declined in the past where there was, in my opinion, a huge improvement over the existing (improved colour, contrast, clarity, etc...) & the only vote ("No") was from the previous contributor. I personally didn't agree with it being declined but that's entirely up to Invelos to decide.
If you choose not to contribute fair enough, but this isn't meant to be a Democracy for the contributions, only what Invelos decides is an improvement. The votes are only there to help them make their mind up. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 681 |
| Posted: | | | | It would be beneficial to know what has been the reason for no votes in your case. If it's only about "existing covers are better" or things like that, then majority vote should normally prevail.
I have contributed lots of covers, as well, and when I have received no-votes, they are always because my scan is not from original edition (I haven't been aware that I am trying to contribute a re-release cover), and when I have been pointed that out, I have always withdrewn my contribution. And just a couple of days ago I contributed a cover for a DVD release that seems to have two different versions of first printing covers(!) - Criterion's "The Lady Vanishes". I received three no votes, and because in those cases the existing cover in online DB takes precedence, I withdrew that contribution, too.
I don't remember if I have ever voted no to a cover-image contribution for any other reason than when the contributed cover is from wrong release or re-release. People seem to contribute constantly scans that are of better quality than the ones in online DB. I don't see inferior quality scans being tried to use to cover existing better scans. | | | Mika I hate people who love me, and they hate me. (Bender Bending Rodriguez) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | While I doubt you will come back and read this, I will comment for the benefit of those users that will, the users do not decide what is and isn't accepted. We vote, to give our opinion, but the final decision is made by the Invelos screeners.l | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | And keep in mind that if it's not clearly better, you should state how it's better for the reviewers to take that into consideration.
You also didn't state WHY the images were declined. Maybe you didn't specify the source - that would result in a decline nearly every time regardless of improvement.
But really, don't flounce. It does nobody any good. |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote: You also didn't state WHY the images were declined. Maybe you didn't specify the source - that would result in a decline nearly every time regardless of improvement. The source? For cover scans? |
| Registered: August 7, 2007 | Posts: 185 |
| Posted: | | | | To be honest, and by no means to disrespect your work Stidi, I've sometimes found your cover scans a bit lacking. Maybe your monitor is badly calibrated, some scanner settings are messed up or your scanner just has problems with certain colours, I don't know. And regarding that three to one example, I presume it's the covers for "Little Miss Sunshine"? The one no-vote was from me, and it was an easy decision. The yellow background was way too bright, the skin tones of the people on the front cover were unnaturally yellow and the red boxes on the back cover were almost orange. All in all, the covers had an excessive yellow level. Your scans were sharper, yes, but natural colours are IMHO more important, hence the no-vote. You shouldn't take no-votes and declined contributions personally, it only leads to distress (and I say that from experience). Maybe you should just play around with your scanner settings a bit, and always carefully examine and compare the scans on the contribution screen. My scanner has problems with different shades of gray and blue, so I always double-check them if they're better or not than the existing covers. If they are in ANY way inferior, I keep them local. I hope I didn't sound too harsh, I really appreciate your efforts and in most cases your scans have been a nice improvement! I hope you'll come back some day, the Finnish locality needs every contributor... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
Quote: You also didn't state WHY the images were declined. Maybe you didn't specify the source - that would result in a decline nearly every time regardless of improvement. The source? For cover scans? You would be surprised at the number of contributions that try and repace the cover scan with one from, say, DVD Empire. Cast and crew are supposed to come from the film credits, yet we all state "cast and crew from film credits'. Why should this be any different? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I always try to remember to let it be known that I scan the covers myself now. As there is other options to find them online. I used to do it before I got a scanner. Never replacing the scanned covers... but to replace either 3-D or thumbnail art... or to add art where there is none at all. | | | Pete |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
Quote: You also didn't state WHY the images were declined. Maybe you didn't specify the source - that would result in a decline nearly every time regardless of improvement. The source? For cover scans? You would be surprised at the number of contributions that try and repace the cover scan with one from, say, DVD Empire. But those would likely be declined because they were of lesser quality than the existing scans, or because of the fact that DVD Empire's pics are watermarked - not because no "source" was given. Bottom line is that I haven't included any reference to a "source" with regards to cover scans ever, and yet literally thousands of my cover scans were happily welcomed into the database. As such, I have no reason to believe Invelos wants us to make note of a "source" for the cover scans... No, this really just comes down to whether the screeners feel the new scans are a "significant improvement" or not - that's all, IMHO. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: But those would likely be declined because they were of lesser quality than the existing scans, or because of the fact that DVD Empire's pics are watermarked - not because no "source" was given. Bottom line is that I haven't included any reference to a "source" with regards to cover scans ever, and yet literally thousands of my cover scans were happily welcomed into the database. As such, I have no reason to believe Invelos wants us to make note of a "source" for the cover scans... DVD Empire was just an example, there are many others and, on occasion, they are better than the existing. As to the rest, you can believe what you want, but it won't change the fact that we give the source for data...even when that source should be obvious...all the time. Quote: No, this really just comes down to whether the screeners feel the new scans are a "significant improvement" or not - that's all, IMHO. And I never said otherwise, now, did I? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: No, this really just comes down to whether the screeners feel the new scans are a "significant improvement" or not - that's all, IMHO. And I never said otherwise, now, did I? Unfortunately, it's quite often very unclear to me what you're saying, and your posts in this thread are no exception: if you agree with me, then why are you trying to pick a fight? But as long as we agree that this only comes down to whether the screeners feel the new scans are a "significant improvement" or not, then I'm happy. That's all I've been saying. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: August 4, 2008 | Posts: 7 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting aGsu: Quote: To be honest, and by no means to disrespect your work Stidi, I've sometimes found your cover scans a bit lacking. Maybe your monitor is badly calibrated, some scanner settings are messed up or your scanner just has problems with certain colours, I don't know. And regarding that three to one example, I presume it's the covers for "Little Miss Sunshine"? The one no-vote was from me, and it was an easy decision. The yellow background was way too bright, the skin tones of the people on the front cover were unnaturally yellow and the red boxes on the back cover were almost orange. All in all, the covers had an excessive yellow level. Your scans were sharper, yes, but natural colours are IMHO more important, hence the no-vote.
>>>> One no vote from you and three yes for me and so my scanner is poor. This just what I mean. Maybe it's your settings??? Saving Grace is even better example. Everyone who have a genuine covers in own hands knows which are the right colours. I think that this is the little sandbox of the little group who thinks they know everything. This collecting hobby takes so much time that I don't anymore waste any minute to sending covers which other people can't get into their own use. I think that about 50 percents of the covers are not very good. Many of the covers are not scanned but taken from the net. So if it's ok, let it be so. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | If you're going through the trouble of scanning the covers, submitting them is hardly an extra effort. Sometimes they will be declined for various reasons, or no apparent reason at all, but so what, it happens to all of us. And remember that every user who looks at your submission will have the chance to grab the scans for themselves, regardless of the outcome of the voting. Which means that anyone who likes your scans better than the existing will benefit from the submission process. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Unfortunately, it's quite often very unclear to me what you're saying, and your posts in this thread are no exception. Really? My very first post in this thread, where I said, "...the users do not decide what is and isn't accepted. We vote, to give our opinion, but the final decision is made by the Invelos screeners," was unclear to you? All I can say is, wow. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: August 4, 2008 | Posts: 7 |
| Posted: | | | | >>>> " the final decision is made by the Invelos screeners,"
Faceless people ??? Who they really are??? I don't know. Can anyone tell me? And where are covers they compare to these we are sending??? If they have better, genuine and right coloured covers why the hell we should scan anything? Share the best ones and people are happy. A lot sharper and bigger resolution covers are what people need. 1 % too yellow or too green or too red is not so bad. I'll take a break and become selfish and concentrate only scanning into own archive. |
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