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Profiles with BYs doesn't get processed?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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Does anybody else have this problem?

I have contributions:

Contributed    --> Released
Aug 15, 2009  --> Aug 19, 2009
Aug 16, 2009  --> Aug 20, 2009
Aug 17, 2009  --> Aug 21, 2009

But all my profiles contributed Aug 14, 2009 which have BYs are still pending.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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Only those with new birth years. Ken recently announced:

Quoting Ken Cole:
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Going forward, all submissions which include a completely new birth year will automatically be promoted to 2nd level Invelos review.

So they will get processed, just not at the same time as "regular" contributions. It usually takes a while longer - the "2nd level reviews" aren't done every day.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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It usually takes a while longer - the "2nd level reviews" aren't done every day.


Not even every week, even every 10 days?
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Not even every week, even every 10 days?

Currently, the oldest "2nd level" one that I still have pending is from August 10... As of yet, they've always been processed sooner or later.
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Does anybody else have this problem?

I have contributions:

Contributed    --> Released
Aug 15, 2009  --> Aug 19, 2009
Aug 16, 2009  --> Aug 20, 2009
Aug 17, 2009  --> Aug 21, 2009

But all my profiles contributed Aug 14, 2009 which have BYs are still pending.


It may be the problem with unapproved BY's that I've detailed in this thread.
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I just had two decline due to "new BY submissions must be documented".  I did not touch the cast or any BY.  I simply removed the quotes from the titles in the dividers.  I even documented that the BY were already in the database. 

I PM'd Ken for clarification.
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As always it would help if you mentioned which profiles and BYs otherwise we're just guessing.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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Quoting T!M:
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Quoting Kulju:
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Not even every week, even every 10 days?

Currently, the oldest "2nd level" one that I still have pending is from August 10... As of yet, they've always been processed sooner or later.

You're right, all of 'em are today "released".
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I even documented that the BY were already in the database.

Merely saying that is not enough, I'm afraid: not all birth years that are in the profiles are actually on Ken's "determined as necessary" list. If it's not, the contribution screen will present you with a checkbox and a note asking you to (re-)document the need for it's inclusion. The key there is indeed that you document the need for it. If, for example, you're documenting that John Doe was born in 1953, then it's not enough to supply a few sources confirming that he was indeed born in 1953, but you also need to show that there's actually another John Doe in the database (not just "somewhere out there", but actually listed in the database) where we need to distinguish him from. In an attempt to more clearly explain to the contributors what exactly is required of them in this matter, Ken has altered the warning text that appears about it on the contribution screen:

Quoting the contribution screen (when a not-yet-documented birth year is included) - color and bolding as it's shown there:
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These birth years have not yet been determined as necessary and should not be submitted unless they are required to distinguish between two otherwise identical cast or crew. Submit these only if you have included specific information about both actors. If you're not sure, just leave these unchecked and submit your contribution.

As you can see, the key is that you include "specific information about both actors". If you can't, simply don't check the box.
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I understand what you are saying Tim.  Again my point was the only change I made was removing the quotes from the dividers as per the rules. 

The contribution was for Dexter Season 1 and 2. 

Ken already indicated to resubmitt.
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Again my point was the only change I made was removing the quotes from the dividers as per the rules.

I got that. I was just trying to explain why it got declined despite the fact that that was your only change - the reason being that you apparently also checked the tickbox to include a not-yet-approved birth year (even though it was there already), without properly explaining the need for it. If you resubmit without checking the box, it should go through just fine.
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But if he resubmits without checking the box, it will remove the birth years from that profile. So he is either forced to remove valid data or to document the birth years 

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But if he resubmits without checking the box, it will remove the birth years from that profile. So he is either forced to remove valid data or to document the birth years 


This is an unfortunate problem I have been left with.  My only declined submissions are becuas eof this very reason.
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But if he resubmits without checking the box, it will remove the birth years from that profile. So he is either forced to remove valid data or to document the birth years 

Except that it's not established whether it's "valid data" or not. The fact that the checkbox appears, means that Ken doesn't think so. If he can supply the necessary documentation, then fine, but as of yet, it's not "valid data" yet. There are, for instance, literally hundreds of profiles with birth years for the likes of Bruce Willis, John Cleese and Samuel L. Jackson - all of those are not valid, and all of them need to be removed by following this exact method: contributing to those profiles and *not* checking the box.

I do understand that it seems somewhat unfortunate that we're forced to deal with this, even when you've never even looked at the birth years before. So leo1963 can't even fix a divider without having to deal with this. But, again, looking at the examples I just gave, this method WILL ensure they'll get cleaned up. If we're not forced to deal with them, then those invalid birth years will remain in the database indefinitely.

And it's really not that bad: if you can't document it, or even if you just don't feel like doing the work, you just don't tick the box. I'm inclined to think that the screeners will ignore any no-votes because of this. In cases where I've have had to this, I merely added the following to my contribution notes: "The contribution screen asked me to document the need for the birth year for XXX - but I couldn't. It's not listed in the forum's pinned BY-thread either. So I didn't check the box for it's inclusion." As of yet, I haven't had any problems with that - they all went through just fine, and nobody ever protested.
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They will be resubmitted tonight.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNexus the Sixth
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I recently removed a couple of those "invalid" birth years from The Matrix and I didn't have to check any boxes. Simply removing the BYs and contribute was all that was needed and it was approved.
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