As Credited. We can get really carried away with standardizing very quickly and pretty soon our data will look nothing like the film credits, standardization is one of the problems elsewhere and why their data is such a mess.

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As Credited. We can get really carried away with standardizing very quickly and pretty soon our data will look nothing like the film credits, standardization is one of the problems elsewhere and why their data is such a mess.

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The current filters do not inhibit one from contributing As Credited, nor would the one I proposed.  In fact, they (and the proposed would) automate the process of making sure the data looks exactly like the film credits.

I also disagree with your dislike of standardization.  I think that stylistic choices should be limited so that the data can be better linked.  (One man's data is another man's "style."  But that is an argument for another day.  )

Jubal,

You say you understand my point, but you seem to misunderstand the action of the existing filters. Let's go through an entry step by step:

Credit says:  Fred B Smith
User types:  Fred B Smith
Upon submission, system converts to:  Fred B. Smith [Fred B Smith]

Note that the Credited As is precisely what appeared in the credits. This does not eliminate linking, as you contend, it facilitates it, while exactly reproducing the credit. I don't know why you're opposed.

My proposed filter would work the very same way.

This guy I ran across recently is a near perfect storm:  he has a variant first name, a nickname and a sometimes "Jr." (Thankfully, no initials.) I omitted the variations with no hits, but I did check them. This is the situation the filters are intended to help--and they will as time goes on:

"tommy 'tiny' lister" is credited in the following 19 titles (26 profiles):
"tommy "tiny" lister" is credited in the following 22 titles (74 profiles):
"tommy tiny lister" is credited in the following 6 titles (67 profiles):
"tiny lister" is credited in the following 25 titles (44 profiles):
"'tiny' lister" is credited in the following 1 titles (1 profiles):
""tiny" lister, jr." is credited in the following 9 titles (24 profiles):
""tiny" lister jr." is credited in the following 4 titles (5 profiles):
"tom 'tiny' lister" is credited in the following 1 titles (1 profiles):
"tom "tiny" lister" is credited in the following 5 titles (10 profiles):
"tom tiny lister jr" is credited in the following 1 titles (2 profiles):
"tom 'tiny' lister jr" is credited in the following 1 titles (1 profiles):
"tom "tiny" lister, jr." is credited in the following 11 titles (54 profiles):
"tom 'tiny' lister, jr." is credited in the following 6 titles (11 profiles):

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Caleb:

I would suggest instead of worrying about standardizing the names, that you concentrate and trying to make sure that the CLT is reporting correctly. This does not include making changes to copies or versions that you do not own as at least one well-meaning user is doing. It is known that both lister jr and 'tiny' are both IMDb style, they can also be As  Credited but they are suspicious and should be investigated by users in the area responsible for entering such data and re-verified as CORRECT...

There I agree with you.  Correct reporting of actual credits is more valuable than standardization.

But standardization helps us deal with the situation as it stands. (I know your opinion varies with mine in this, but I can deal with that.  )

I, with my puny collection, cannot change the world single-handed.  I'm just trying to make the road a little smoother. 

I won't comment on your second paragraph except to say that I share the frustration that leads some to want to fix all the profiles, but I agree with the arguments against that course.  This in addition to the fact that it runs counter to the stated position of Invelos.

It is unfortunate that, as the database is now structured, it is impossible to achieve the level of data integrity that we all (I think) see as ideal. 

So we slog away and try to make the best of it.