Hey guys,

Was updating a dvd I own with Brandy in it (Double Platinum) and found she was listed in the cast and crew as Brandy Norwood.

Looking at the CLT it showed results of Brandy Norwood 35(66) and Brandy (after taking out the adult titles that are not her) 21(63).

Thought that was kind of funny considering she's been known as just Brandy since she was about 14 years old back in '94, so I did some investigating with the titles I own.

After checking 8 titles she's listed in, and assuming (I know I know, but for the sake or arguement here) that titles that span different languages have her listed in the cast the same way, the numbers I came up with were Brandy Norwood 11(30) and Brandy 38(85). Even if different region titles are removed, just Brandy still comes out the winner as the common name.

That's how I submitted the credit for Double Platinum.

My question is this, Brandy is the more common name, I can change the titles/upcs that I personally own, but I can't change the titles/upcs that I don't personally own, so how is it possible to get the correct common name of Brandy into the system properly? Can I add all the I Still Know What You Did Last Summer's/Osmosis Jones'/Cinderella's/whatever to my collection to change the credit? Or is that frowned upon since I don't actually own the different upc'd versions?

That and if the common name can be changed to simply Brandy as it should, I'd have to add a Birthyear because there's one woman, who was in Dracula, Prisoner of Frankenstein in 1970 that only has a name of Brandy as well. Stupid woman... making my life difficult. 

Any advice on how to proceed here would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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There have been situations in the past where the same film has ended up with different credits in different territories, so it may be safer to leave profiles you can't personally check alone.
Certainly what you may be able to do is check to see who has contributed on the other profiles in the past and PM them to check the credits for you.

That's what I figured. Thanks for voicing it.

Kind of a shame that this is another instance of doubt being thrown on the CLT. Brandy Norwood seems to obviously have migrated from IMDB, where she's listed that way with a ton of (as Brandy) credits on their system, and now it's going to be a task and a half to get the correct name into the system...

I'll download a bunch of the other titles into my wishlist and see if anyone's left contribution notes for them, pm them and see if they wouldn't mind checking the credits for Brandy vs. Brandy Norwood.

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That's why quite a few people have been calling for having the film information separate from the DVD information, so information like cast & crew could be shared across many profiles rather than having to update every single one.
I would say if the contribution notes are empty then it means the profile was simply ported over from Intervocative and it's possible no one actually uses that profile any more! Personally I think I would change them to minimize the IMDB damage.

Another green arrow for you!

Thanks for your opinions and help on this issue. It's very much appreciated.

I was kind of leaning towards maybe changing a few, if it's an instance such as you described, but I'll also play the wait game and see what comes out of downloading a few into my wishlist as well.

Thanks again!

It would help I think and I'd be in favor of it.

I downloaded a bunch of the Brandy Norwood instead of Brandy profiles into my ordered list (the only list that was empty so easy access to each title), and of the 47 titles I added (and that wasn't even all of them), 22 had no contributors/contribution notes. Most likely carried over, and at this point, who knows if they're even active profiles with any chance of being updated properly? I'm not entirely sure I feel comfortable updating them as I don't have them in front of me. 7 profiles have Brandy Norwood incorrectly listed in the crew as a songwriter for a song she only performed and didn't write and 2 of those have no contributors/contribution notes (Batman Forever). That information obviously came a place somewhere other than the DVD (as the credits list Lenny Kravitz as the song writer and Brandy as the performer) and was probably just imported or copied from another copy.

I don't know... would anyone reading this have a problem with me updating the titles that have no contributors/contribution notes?

I could post all the titles/versions/upc's here and pm a bunch of people, but even then, no guarantee.

It's kind of making my head want to explode. 

Merrik,
You can also check the disc IDs against the ones you have, many times a single DVD will have serveral UPCs of the same release.  If the disc IDs match then the contents of the DVD should be the same.

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Merrik,
You can also check the disc IDs against the ones you have, many times a single DVD will have serveral UPCs of the same release.  If the disc IDs match then the contents of the DVD should be the same.

Yes, but otherwise it's really best not to tamper with other releases you don't own due to the possibility of different crediting in different territories.  They're probably wrong, but you shouldn't change without knowing for sure under the general documentation principles.

Actually, discs that have the same ID should have identical contents as I believe the ID is given during the mastering process. That excludes any generic IDs of course (like DVDVOLUME).

I already thanked him in pm's, but just wanted to thank him again here. dee1959jay totally went above and beyond to help me out in verifying one of only three or four discs left that I had a big question mark about. Not only did he verify the data, but then he went ahead and made the contribution himself, correcting a bunch of other information on the disc in the process. Like I said, totally above and beyond, and I totally appreciate it and owe him one!


Just an update, after taking a couple of weeks to send some pm's and verify some data, I have actually submitted a bunch of contributions to help clear up the common name issue associated with Brandy.

The totals, as they now stand should look something like this:

Brandy Norwood: Currently 32/61
After pending updates: 10/29

Brandy: Currently 28/68
After pending updates: 46/90

That's including dee1959jay's contribution as well.

Of course I've only done the pending updates in the past couple of days, so it's possible the screeners could still give me a big no-no on contributing to some of the profiles, so we'll have to wait and see on that aspect.

A bunch of the titles were fairly simple in the fact that she was incorrectly listed in the credits as songwriter for songs she didn't write, so those were easy enough to submit a contribution for (and a big thanks to jhagblad for taking the time to talk with me through pm's on one of the titles in question).

A bunch of the other titles had no contribution notes whatsoever, so I did submit the corrections for them after not being able to reach anyone about them.

And after verifying some data for the title I Still Know What You Did Last Summer, I sent in just small contributions to those profiles to change the name from Brandy Norwood to Brandy (as well as changing Freddie Prinze Jr. to Freddie Prinze, Jr. as credited and as the new system would automatically filter his name) without changing any other info simply because I couldn't be 100% sure about anything else to change.

And some titles actually had Brandy Norwood [Brandy] either in the credited as role, or in the character name, so those were easy enough to contribute to as well.

So far I've only received yes votes for all the contributions that have been voted on. If I receive a no vote on one, I'll contact the user by pm and hopefully they can help me work on the contribution.

Again, thanks a million to everyone who helped me out on the situation, it's very very much appreciated and I sent out a few green arrows to show my appreciation!

Off to send one or two more pm's about those discs in question!

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Actually, discs that have the same ID should have identical contents as I believe the ID is given during the mastering process. That excludes any generic IDs of course (like DVDVOLUME).

i got a few dvds with the same disc ID but totally different movies on them

Are you really talking about the 'new' disc ID (>=3.0) and not the 'old' one (<=2.5)? I know that this can happen with any hash function (which the new disc id is), but it should be really rare and I have never heard of any verified case.