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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | This may have been mentioned somewhere before and I missed it, but... what do we do about Blu-ray discs and Closed Captioning? 20th Century Fox still puts it on many of their Blu-ray releases (and verified in PowerDVD) but it doesn't seem as though it can even be contributed with Blu-ray titles. Or, at least it doesn't show up to contribute when you submit it with the CC box ticked.  | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am glade some one else sees this problem. I have posted it in another forum back when 3.5.0 (Build 1240) was in beta testing but Ken really did not answer me on it. If there is a profile that is already axcepted with CC and you have to add something else to the features it will remove CC from the contribution. I have verified it on several titles but have not added it to the online system and I have also not added some speciel features for the same reason that it would delete what was already accepted (CC). | | | | Last edited: by Dragon 6 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Exactly Dragon! We simply cannot contribute CC to Blu-ray profiles now, as it gets removed during the contribution upload process. It's probably not very widespread on Blu-ray discs, but I've verified them present on quite a few 20th Century Fox Blu-rays. They even still have the "CC" icon listed on the back cover as well. Please reinstate CC with Blu-rays Ken!  | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | I wouldn't put it past Invelos that the reason why CC has been removed is the proper term NOW is SDH .
and right now there is no SDH in Invelos to be used.. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | | We all want the most accurate data base and if CC is confirmed to be on the disc then it should be added. We also should not stopped on added or correcting the all ready approved features just because we don't want to remove the CC that made it through already. If we cannot submit the CC through the normal way (check box) then we should add it through the other features field. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
I wouldn't put it past Invelos that the reason why CC has been removed is the proper term NOW is SDH .
and right now there is no SDH in Invelos to be used.. SDH and CC are completely different breeds on how they are encoded on discs, and the hardware/software needed to decode them. There are standard English subtitles (not labelled as SDH) also included on these Blu-rays with CC. You can play them "both" at the same time, just as you could on DVD's that had them both included. | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is my understanding that CC is not possible with Blu-rays or HD-DVDs. It is an NTSC-specific technology. It may also be that the discs are labeled "CC" while actually meaning SDH. If that's not correct, we can certainly remove the restriction. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Good thing we're still in Beta then..  | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | The removing of CC from Blu-rays and HD DVDs occurs on the server, and is not a new change - it's been there for about a year. And to clarify, no change is planned until we can verify that CC is possible on these kinds of discs. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
It is my understanding that CC is not possible with Blu-rays or HD-DVDs. It is an NTSC-specific technology. It may also be that the discs are labeled "CC" while actually meaning SDH. If that's not correct, we can certainly remove the restriction. I believe that's incorrect. I have a few Blu-Ray titles that have CC listed both on the covers and in the menus. Unless I set my HDTV to CC, the captions will not appear. Therefore, they are not SDH, which are merely subtitles that are accessed via the Disc menu. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
The removing of CC from Blu-rays and HD DVDs occurs on the server, and is not a new change - it's been there for about a year. And to clarify, no change is planned until we can verify that CC is possible on these kinds of discs. Ken, if you have any Fox Blu-rays to check, just load them up with PowerDVD. Both the English subtitles and the Closed Captioning can be set to play "together" at the same time, as was possible on DVD's. If I turn the "Closed Captioning" option off in PowerDVD, only the English subtitles will then appear. I can take some screen grabs with them both playing together on the screen. Additionally, you can clearly tell the subtitles and the closed captioning "fonts" apart when played together. Most of these releases from Fox also include the "CC" logo on the back cover as I mentioned. | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | No need for screencaps, as long as we have an actual test, that's good enough for me. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
No need for screencaps, as long as we have an actual test, that's good enough for me. I'm not really sure how else to test them, but here's some additional information on the confusion: From what I've researched on the web, it's a progressive output signal through an DVI or HDMI connection that can't correctly carry a CC-signal. Perhaps it's only software programs (or an analog connection) that can decode them to play properly? http://www.banjosworld.com/search/label/CaptioningI've also browsed on Fox's web store, and it seems that most of the blu-ray titles have "Closed Captioning" listed under Features of the disc, along with English subtitles. So far I've checked at least 4 of their Blu-ray titles in my collection and can verifiy CC is present (along with the standard English subtitles) while playing them in PowerDVD. | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 550 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is not that blu-ray doesn't have or use CC, but HDMI can not (does not) carry that line of data as CC is the 21st line (or something like that). From what I can tell, blu-rays from 20th Century Fox have CC. I verfied this with ID4, 28 Weeks Later, AvP, and AvP 2. I hooked my PS3 up using composite (my gawd the picture is horrid). I turned on the english subtitles and they appeared. Then I hit the CC button for my TV and CC appeared (white text in a black box). To me that is CC on a blu-ray. Now I have to shower and scrub away the nasty of non-HD movie viewing  | | | Schultzy - http://www.michaelschultz.net
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| Registered: March 24, 2007 | | Posts: 240 |
| | Posted: | | | | Blu-ray can carry closed captions but they will only be displayed if you are using the analog output with a 480i NTSC display. HDMI can not carry CC.
A blu-ray player could overlay the captions before sending them to the display but the only thing I know that can do that is Power DVD (software player).
Upconverting DVD players have the same problem, and even cable HDTV set top boxes. | | | | Tom. |
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