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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hello all
I've just voted NO to a contribution which removed data I had recently added to 'The Terminator'.
However, I am now re-evaluating and would like some feedback.
If the credits of a film are:
Terminator Special Effects
Crew A
Crew B
Crew C
Should the 3 crew people be listed under visual effects? I DID add them because they were under the heading of Special Effects for the Terminator in the film.
The new contributions is removing these entries on the premise that they do NOT have individual credits.
So....should I have entered them ONLY if they looked like this:
Crew A - Terminator Special Effects
Crew B - Terminator Special Effects
Crew C - Terminator Special Effects
ALSO:
The person is trying to add an entry to Writing for:
Special Acknowledgement to the works of ....
I deliberately didn't add this on my contribution because:
A. I didn't think it fitted any of the available entries.
B. (and more importantly) this statement was only added to the credits after a court case agreed that Cameron & Co. had plagiarised the authors work to some degree. | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Now I am the first to admit I know nothing about crew... which is why I stay far away from the crew credits myself. but I personally would agree with your original contribution.
Just because they used a heading for the crew roles don't change what they did. if they they are credited with a crew role that we track then they should be added no matter how the credit is formatted (header or individual roles). | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
I've just voted NO to a contribution which removed data I had recently added to 'The Terminator'.
However, I am now re-evaluating and would like some feedback. I think your No vote is correct, on both counts. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think your original contribution was correct.
Your No vote is justified. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 415 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not the contributor, but I checked the Rules and saw this in the Visual Effects section:
Individual Credits:
Visual/Digital/Special/Special Visual Effects, including Designer, Supervisor, and Director
What is meant by this?
It could be to prevent company credits, but that is already mentioned at the top:
List individual credits only, not company name credits. |
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| Registered: May 28, 2007 | | Posts: 32 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Hello all
I've just voted NO to a contribution which removed data I had recently added to 'The Terminator'.
However, I am now re-evaluating and would like some feedback. AFter some thought, I would vote the same way you did on this. | | | | Randy Compton | Farmington NY |
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| Registered: May 28, 2007 | | Posts: 32 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dgnagy: Quote:
Quoting Pantheon:
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Hello all
I've just voted NO to a contribution which removed data I had recently added to 'The Terminator'.
However, I am now re-evaluating and would like some feedback.
After some thought, I would vote the same way you did on this. | | | | Randy Compton | Farmington NY |
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  | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | I also think you are correct, on both counts. | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
True love conquers all! |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | I withdrew my contribution but I do not agree with the 8 no-voters. I sincerely think, although the Terminator isn't entirely based on the complete works of Harlan Ellison, it is inspired by two episodes of his and so this qualifies part as original material. For credits concerning Visual Effects it is stated that we use " Individual Credits:", but crew below a group header aren't individually credited. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
I withdrew my contribution but I do not agree with the 8 no-voters.
I sincerely think, although the Terminator isn't entirely based on the complete works of Harlan Ellison,
it is inspired by two episodes of his and so this qualifies part as original material.
For credits concerning Visual Effects it is stated that we use "Individual Credits:",
but crew below a group header aren't individually credited. I agree with you on the OMB credit. I believe the reference is "Individual" versus "Company" credits and has nothing at all to do with a group header. These are individual people being credited. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I wanted to be entirely strict I could also note that the visual effects group doesn't qualify because they are mentioned below a header named "Terminator Special Effects" which isn't a valid Credited As role, but since I believe in functional equivalents I do not want to use this as an argument. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
If I wanted to be entirely strict I could also note that the visual effects group doesn't qualify because they are mentioned below a header named "Terminator Special Effects" which isn't a valid Credited As role, but since I believe in functional equivalents I do not want to use this as an argument. Unlike others, I believe it's perfectly legitimate to drop the "Terminator" part and use just the "Special Effects" part of the credit. No functional equivalent necessary (the same way that you can drop the "in Technicolor" part of the "Photographed in Technicolor By..." credit that people are wasting time worrying about). | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 415 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Daddy DVD:
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I withdrew my contribution but I do not agree with the 8 no-voters.
I sincerely think, although the Terminator isn't entirely based on the complete works of Harlan Ellison,
it is inspired by two episodes of his and so this qualifies part as original material.
For credits concerning Visual Effects it is stated that we use "Individual Credits:",
but crew below a group header aren't individually credited.
I agree with you on the OMB credit. I disagree. The OMB credit is for an adaption of a book to a movie. Cameron was inspired by a couple of ideas from Ellison and made a different movie. Quote:
I believe the reference is "Individual" versus "Company" credits and has nothing at all to do with a group header. These are individual people being credited. But there is already an individual vs company clause at the top of the page, and no other category specifies "Individual" in bold. |
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 | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting jmbox: Quote:
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I believe the reference is "Individual" versus "Company" credits and has nothing at all to do with a group header. These are individual people being credited.
But there is already an individual vs company clause at the top of the page, and no other category specifies "Individual" in bold. Indeed! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting jmbox: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Quoting Daddy DVD:
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I withdrew my contribution but I do not agree with the 8 no-voters.
I sincerely think, although the Terminator isn't entirely based on the complete works of Harlan Ellison,
it is inspired by two episodes of his and so this qualifies part as original material.
For credits concerning Visual Effects it is stated that we use "Individual Credits:",
but crew below a group header aren't individually credited.
I agree with you on the OMB credit.
I disagree. The OMB credit is for an adaption of a book to a movie. Cameron was inspired by a couple of ideas from Ellison and made a different movie. I don't know where you get this from. OMB is for any number of different sources, not just books. I've seen it used for "Based on a Concept by...", which is perfectly legitimate. Quoting jmbox: Quote:
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I believe the reference is "Individual" versus "Company" credits and has nothing at all to do with a group header. These are individual people being credited.
But there is already an individual vs company clause at the top of the page, and no other category specifies "Individual" in bold. So what? It still doesn't mean that if there's a group header you can't include legitimate credits.  | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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