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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hey there, I am right now submitting an update for the Legend DVD. I got 38 YES and 2 NO. The NO vote is NOT relating to the two things I have changed (Overview to match 3.5 rules, Foldout added to "other features"). It is about an isolated score which is in the "other features", which I haven't added there. My question is now. Should a vote only relate to the stuff the contributor submitted (which i think is the only way keeping this real) or is the contributor responsible for a mistake that some other user submitted a long time ago ? if that is so, I think we are in trouble  That would mean I have to recheck everything that was submitted from everybody concerning the DVD. Looking for answers here cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com | | | | Last edited: by DarklyNoon |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 |  Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | If you are contributing changes to any section, you should be checking that section completely and fixing any previous mistakes. Updating any section of a DVD profile and contributing it, IMO, means that there are errors or things that need to be fixed, If all people are doing is reformatting the data to conform to the new standard, any errors the currently exist are just being perpetuated just reformatted in a different manner. I expect there are some people who are just opening up existing profiles and adding the new crew info, without double checking the existing crew that were already there. To me, that isn't what should be happening, but I am pretty sure it is. | | | | Chris |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, I can live with checking the section I am updating Will resubmit Legend when I am home from work But to check every section on a DVD when I am submitting is a bit too much imho cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
|   | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | IMO it is not your responsibility to verify data already in the Database, so if the NO-votes are for stuff already accepted I'd say they are wrong. That being said, you could/should check the issues mentioned by the NO-voters and amend the profile if the inital profile is indeed wrong - but as I said, in my opinion it is not required of you to do so when updating other sections. Personally I always check all info when doing updates, but I don't expect everyone to be as "autistic" as me in this regard...   | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
True love conquers all! | | | | Last edited: by Berak |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | If it is a section that I am updating, then I review all parts of that section to make sure that the info is correct. For example if while adding extra features I notice that one is mentioned in the profile but isn't actually on the disc I'll remove it.
If it's in a section that I haven't touched then it shouldn't appear on the contribution screen & therefore shouldn't receive no votes. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
IMO it is not your responsibility to verify data already in the Database, so if the NO-votes are for stuff already accepted I'd say they are wrong. Agreed! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | If you tick the field during the contribution process, and it shows up on the comparison screen then, as far as I'm concerned, if I see anything wrong with any of that data, I will vote 'No'.
Before submitting that field as part of your contribution, you should make sure that it is 100% correct. Not necessarily complete (as in the cast and crew fields), but what is there should be correct. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
If you tick the field during the contribution process, and it shows up on the comparison screen then, as far as I'm concerned, if I see anything wrong with any of that data, I will vote 'No'.
Before submitting that field as part of your contribution, you should make sure that it is 100% correct. Not necessarily complete (as in the cast and crew fields), but what is there should be correct. I agree 100% with this statment...  | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
True love conquers all! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting Berak:
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IMO it is not your responsibility to verify data already in the Database, so if the NO-votes are for stuff already accepted I'd say they are wrong.
Agreed! I'll agree with Rho...to a point. This is the type of thing that if I saw it, I would vote Yes, with a Note relative to the errant data (I might even send a PM), it would then fall to the user to decide whether to fix it or not...I would. But there is nothing fundamentally wrong in either Hal's or Berak's remark. As I noted in my notes, Darkly, I think the whole foldout/booklet issue was a silly argument over semantics. Kind of you say tomato, I say Tomahto...let's call the whole thing off. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
The NO vote is NOT relating to the two things I have changed (Overview to match 3.5 rules, Foldout added to "other features").
It is about an isolated score which is in the "other features", which I haven't added there.
My question is now.
Should a vote only relate to the stuff the contributor submitted (which i think is the only way keeping this real) or is the contributor responsible for a mistake that some other user submitted a long time ago ? Incorrect data is incorrect data no matter who enters it. Sometimes the only way the "legacy" error gets found out is when someone wants to change another part of that section. If you're going to contribute a change to the "other features" of a profile, you open the whole field up to analysis and voting. If there is an error in the other features, it should get a NO vote whether you contributed it or not. The whole field for "other features" comprises your contribution, not just the foldout that you want to add. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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If you tick the field during the contribution process, and it shows up on the comparison screen then, as far as I'm concerned, if I see anything wrong with any of that data, I will vote 'No'.
Before submitting that field as part of your contribution, you should make sure that it is 100% correct. Not necessarily complete (as in the cast and crew fields), but what is there should be correct.
I agree 100% with this statment... Even if the error is on both sides of the comparison screen? I don't agree! Sometimes there is data in a profile which is highly disputed. If you change it, you will get No votes from one half of the users. If you don't change it, you will get No votes from the other half. A lose-lose situation! Am I not allowed to correct an other non disputed error without getting No votes? |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hey there Resubmitted it and removed isolated Score from "Other Features", it was already under "Audio". Thx alot for all your input here cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting Berak:
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Quoting hal9g:
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If you tick the field during the contribution process, and it shows up on the comparison screen then, as far as I'm concerned, if I see anything wrong with any of that data, I will vote 'No'.
Before submitting that field as part of your contribution, you should make sure that it is 100% correct. Not necessarily complete (as in the cast and crew fields), but what is there should be correct.
I agree 100% with this statment...
Even if the error is on both sides of the comparison screen? I don't agree!
Sometimes there is data in a profile which is highly disputed. If you change it, you will get No votes from one half of the users. If you don't change it, you will get No votes from the other half. A lose-lose situation! Am I not allowed to correct an other non disputed error without getting No votes? No-no.. If the data in question is on both sides of the comparison screen the contributor definitely should verify before contributing. My point was that if data not in the update was disputed, then it should not warrant a NO-vote.. Sorry if I was unclear...  | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
True love conquers all! | | | | Last edited: by Berak |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Before submitting that field as part of your contribution, you should make sure that it is 100% correct. Not necessarily complete (as in the cast and crew fields), but what is there should be correct. This will ensure that lots of bad information will stay in the cast section of older films, in particular, where many of the cast are uncredited. It's very probable that this information came (largely) from IMDB and likely has many errors. I'm told that I can't remove these uncredited and undocumented entries unless I can prove that the information is wrong. I thought the idea was to have an online database with documented, correct data. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Before submitting that field as part of your contribution, you should make sure that it is 100% correct. Not necessarily complete (as in the cast and crew fields), but what is there should be correct.
This will ensure that lots of bad information will stay in the cast section of older films, in particular, where many of the cast are uncredited.
It's very probable that this information came (largely) from IMDB and likely has many errors. I'm told that I can't remove these uncredited and undocumented entries unless I can prove that the information is wrong. I thought the idea was to have an online database with documented, correct data.
--------------- You have totally misquoted me. What I told you was that the data could be removed if it was an exact copyof IMDb. If it is, it can be removed. You cannot remove uncredited cast just because you don't know if it is right or not. | | | | Hal |
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