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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 151 |
| | Posted: | | | | Now we have Pasthu, a dialect of Persian.
But I need Persian for Kiorostani films. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Rather than asking for indivdual languages, I think it would be a lot better in the long run to be able to overtype languages into the Audio field, like we can in the Edition field.
As long as the rules were updated to specify where this language must come from (cover or menu only maybe) this would allow all languages to be recorded whether Ken's added them to the program or not.
What do you think? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
What do you think? Impossible. We need to be able to translate them  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I won't pretend to speak for Ken. But i would say that IF we are to try and capture every conceivable language, particularly on the basis of a single user, our list will become nightmarish very quickly. I would suggest that the best answer is two fold, first use the OTHER field, I know NOBODY wants their language of choice to be handled thusly but... The second thing is to create a Tag for Persian and when you get film that uses Persian you mark the Tag. I think this whole language issue is rapidly running out of control.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I won't pretend to speak for Ken. But i would say that IF we are to try and capture every conceivable language, particularly on the basis of a single user, our list will become nightmarish very quickly. I would suggest that the best answer is two fold, first use the OTHER field, I know NOBODY wants their language of choice to be handled thusly but... The second thing is to create a Tag for Persian and when you get film that uses Persian you mark the Tag. I think this whole language issue is rapidly running out of control.
Skip I think a "Hide unused Languages" would be a good option, to prevent getting the list too long. So when you get a new language, you press a "show all languages" button. Similar to the one you get when you change the UPC (it has the show all localitys button). |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 413 |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | My impression is that Skip and Whispering misunderstood Northbloke's suggestion, which - the way I read it - was to make the language field customizable. If I understand North correctly, his idea is to have a limited list of the most common languages and then the ability to put in a different language manually if and when needed. The latter would NOT be incorporated into the list.
And yes, that's exactly what we have in the Edition field right now.
I for one would support such an implementation of languages, because it would avoid the necessity of (in Skip's words) "to try and capture every conceivable language" in the existing list.
Edit: perhaps North's suggestion would work for Subtitles and CoO as well? (NOT for Locality, obviously, as Ken would need the locality's rating system to be built into the programme).
@ FHarlock: Jykke is right, use Farsi for Persian. I used to have Iranian neighbours for many years, and they always called their language Farsi. Persian is already in the list - it's (correctly) called Farsi.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes, that's exactly what I meant about the language field.
And yes, you're right - it could work for subtitles and CoO as well (as long as people don't use it to add multiple countries). Maybe for subtitles Ken could add a few blank tickboxes at the end of the list, in case we need to add more than one. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 151 |
| | Posted: | | | | Something must do with language system. There are many things we need. Example: We need indicated not only the comentary track, also we need the language of audiocomentary track. Example: Audiocomentary subs, in what language are they? Only one? Quote:
I think a "Hide unused Languages" would be a good option, to prevent getting the list too long. Good idea. But can be more interesting personalice habitual languages. Think for usa's people unused, will be not the same of europan people. Will be interesting wide to work. Quote:
Farsi = Persian. Sorry. It's my fault. I am not english native and I not know that. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | FH:
There are many things that Program can still use, I won't go so far as to call them needs necessarily, as that takes us into the realm of PERSONAL. For example i would say that there are things which I consider a much higher priority than the addition of languages for a handful of, or one user.
As for Commentaries, I might be wrong but I have yet to see ANY Commentary done in multiple languages, perhaps Subbed but not as an Audio track.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FHarlock: Quote:
Something must do with language system. There are many things we need.
Example: We need indicated not only the comentary track, also we need the language of audiocomentary track.
Example: Audiocomentary subs, in what language are they? Only one? That's been asked for a few times, and yes it's a good idea to be able to record what language a commentary is in. Also which subtitles are for hard of hearing etc. Quote:
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Farsi = Persian.
Sorry. It's my fault. I am not english native and I not know that. Maybe we should ask Ken to rename it to "Farsi (Persian)"? |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
i would say that there are things which I consider a much higher priority than the addition of languages for a handful of, or one user.
Skip You still don't get it. Nothing needs to be added, except the option to customize audio tracks, much like we can do with different editions of a DVD. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's your opinion, deejay.Ii could provide a rather lengthy list of things which i believe should added to the Program, and/or modifications to the way some things are done. I am not even sure why you made your comment, although your comment structure makes me wonder a bit.
I am not entitled to my opinion? If you read what I wrote I was adressing to particular comments RH made, one related to the word NEED, which as isaid take it into the realm of personal and from my viewpoint as a Programmer becomes at that point how many users would want Persian, one, two, three...
My other comment was relating to Audio Commentaries.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip, I would never try to shut up anyone and of course you are just as much entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.
My comment was intended to clarify that it is NOT necessary to add individual languages to the programme (as you seemed to be supposing) in order to solve the problem of accomodating exotic languages. It could also be solved (and I think much more easily) by making the field customizable as is already the case with the Edition field. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That would certainly work, deejay. That's up to Ken however not I. I don't feel or see the need to include every possible language. For example, I am quite content to use OTHER for the one film, that I know of that was filmed in Aramaic.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
My impression is that Skip and Whispering misunderstood Northbloke's suggestion, which - the way I read it - was to make the language field customizable. If I understand North correctly, his idea is to have a limited list of the most common languages and then the ability to put in a different language manually if and when needed. The latter would NOT be incorporated into the list.
And yes, that's exactly what we have in the Edition field right now.
I for one would support such an implementation of languages, because it would avoid the necessity of (in Skip's words) "to try and capture every conceivable language" in the existing list.
Edit: perhaps North's suggestion would work for Subtitles and CoO as well? (NOT for Locality, obviously, as Ken would need the locality's rating system to be built into the programme).
@ FHarlock: Jykke is right, use Farsi for Persian. I used to have Iranian neighbours for many years, and they always called their language Farsi. Persian is already in the list - it's (correctly) called Farsi.
DJ No, you missed the point. If i buy a DVD from Finland, United States and Netherlands, the same language name in all these would be diffrent, I wouldnt be able to even understand what the Dutch language name means. All of them wouldnt be able to be searched. My DVDP is finnish, dispite where i buy my DVD's. Id like to keep it that way. Listing all languages, and having the ability to only show the used names would solve the problem. |
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