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Cuba Gooding, jr. or Cuba Gooding jr.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbentyman
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I have tried to search, but things got screwed up here. What is the common name to this gentleman? After a search in CLT:
"cuba gooding jr." is credited in the following 209 titles (541 profiles)
and
"cuba gooding, jr." is credited in the following 131 titles (337 profiles)

So is his common name without the comma?
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Correct,
but if he's credited with comma in your movie please use the "credited as"-function.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Correct,
but if he's credited with comma in your movie please use the "credited as"-function.

I certainly will, sir
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Once more, a plea for sanity...

The punctuation of suffixes should be standardized so the abusrd question doesn't keep coming up.  It shouldn't matter one iota how many times "John Doe, Jr." is credited with or without comma.  They're the same guy, credited with the same name.
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Sanity? Can't have that. Crucify him!     
       
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They're the same guy, credited with the same name.


Who told you so?
Give sources!    
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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I certainly will, sir

Ahh,
finally someone showing due respect, as a German I like that.   
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Once more, a plea for sanity...

The punctuation of suffixes should be standardized so the abusrd question doesn't keep coming up.  It shouldn't matter one iota how many times "John Doe, Jr." is credited with or without comma.  They're the same guy, credited with the same name.


Maybe it shouldn't matter but we, as users, can't standardize anything.  The rules are clear, we use what is in the credits and then pick the most commonly credited form.  There is no wiggle room here.
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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I agree 100% with Unicus
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Quoting bentyman:
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I have tried to search, but things got screwed up here. What is the common name to this gentleman? After a search in CLT:
"cuba gooding jr." is credited in the following 209 titles (541 profiles)
and
"cuba gooding, jr." is credited in the following 131 titles (337 profiles)

So is his common name without the comma?

Frankly, I'm flat out stunned that Cuba Gooding, Jr. has appeared in a total of 340 unique titles!  That filmography must be about a mile long. 

No wonder the CLT is so bad.
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Once more, a plea for sanity...

The punctuation of suffixes should be standardized so the abusrd question doesn't keep coming up.  It shouldn't matter one iota how many times "John Doe, Jr." is credited with or without comma.  They're the same guy, credited with the same name.


Maybe it shouldn't matter but we, as users, can't standardize anything.  The rules are clear, we use what is in the credits and then pick the most commonly credited form.  There is no wiggle room here.


I have to agree here with Unicus. (and he gets a plus arrow).

But in my own local (and definately non-contributable!) database, I standardise on "<name>, Jr."
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Quoting Snark:
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Once more, a plea for sanity...

The punctuation of suffixes should be standardized so the abusrd question doesn't keep coming up.  It shouldn't matter one iota how many times "John Doe, Jr." is credited with or without comma.  They're the same guy, credited with the same name.


Maybe it shouldn't matter but we, as users, can't standardize anything.  The rules are clear, we use what is in the credits and then pick the most commonly credited form.  There is no wiggle room here.


I disagree.  If there was one name field instead of a first and last name I might buy into that.  As it stands, we're already parsing.

If the feeling amoung users is that the rules prohibit doing the right thing then they're broken and need to be fixed.  We have enough problems with people legitimately credited under seperate names that we don't need the faux issue created by punctuation.
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Once more, a plea for sanity...

The punctuation of suffixes should be standardized so the abusrd question doesn't keep coming up.  It shouldn't matter one iota how many times "John Doe, Jr." is credited with or without comma.  They're the same guy, credited with the same name.


Maybe it shouldn't matter but we, as users, can't standardize anything.  The rules are clear, we use what is in the credits and then pick the most commonly credited form.  There is no wiggle room here.


Is that why we parse "John Wayne" into two separate fields, because there is no wiggle room when it comes to screen names?

I don't understand why people are against standards, don't they understand that the rules are the standard?
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I disagree.  If there was one name field instead of a first and last name I might buy into that.  As it stands, we're already parsing.


This isn't about parsing.  It is about adding or removing a comma.  The rules are clear, we are to copy the end credits "with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits."  If you remove or add a comma, they are no longer "exactly as they are in the credits."
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Is that why we parse "John Wayne" into two separate fields, because there is no wiggle room when it comes to screen names?


I never said there was no wiggle room when it came to screen names.  What I said was, there is no wiggle room that allows us to create our own standard.  The rules require that we enter exactly what we see.  No more, no less.

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I don't understand why people are against standards, don't they understand that the rules are the standard?


Nobody is against standards.  What we are against are user created standards that are contrary to the rules.  If Ken decides to add this standard to the rules, I will happily comply.  Until then, I will not.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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This isn't about parsing.  It is about adding or removing a comma.  The rules are clear, we are to copy the end credits "with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits."  If you remove or add a comma, they are no longer "exactly as they are in the credits."


It is absolutely about parsing IMO.  We're forced to parse into 2 fields.

I am sure if we had a film that credited "Wayne, John" and "Eastwood, Clint" that a few people would try to suggest that they be parsed as F:"Wayne," L"John" and F:"Eastwood," L"Clint" but we all know what the real credits are.  We're already having to deal with parsing issues on foreign names with prefixes like "de la".  (Try and credit THOSE exactly.  Mixed cased names collide.)

I agree that a literal interpretation of the rules leads to the madness we have here.  It's simply time to correct the madness and come up with a solution that minimizes the silliness of having to come up with a "common" name for the same name.
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