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Surreal in genres
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorlocutus2k
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I was adding some Fellini and Jodorowsky movies ... what classification genre? I think Surreal is the only one who can apply, but is missing from the list.
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There is custom genres in the 3.5 Beta... so you will be able to use that then. But one thing you should know about custom genres... they won't be contributed to the online database.
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And that's the point: there a lot of movies, from art house movies (Bunuel, Dali, Jodorowsky), to more "mainstream" movies (ex: David Lynch) that are just plain "Surreal" movies. I think a genre for Surrealism should be added to the main genres tab (the contributed ones).
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I understand what you are saying... at this point all we can do is see if Ken wants add it to the list. I personally do not have a use for Surreal... but like everyone I see genres missing that I would like to see added to the main list of genres. At this time Ken decided to give us only a couple new genres for the main database (Crime and Disaster) and then custom Genres for version 3.5... Whether that means he does not plan to add any more to the main list or not I don't know... but hopefully he will add some more... possibly even before 3.5 is released. But guess all we can do from here is ask and then wait and see.
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I to agree, there needs to be the option to add more genre's to the list.  I have found about 5 that is not on the list and would like in my profiler.
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How many Genres are needed to make everyone happy? 100, 500...1000. The point is that no one will EVER be satisfied, use the tags and/or the custom genre system coming Online. You might cxall David Lynch work Surreal, but they are certainly Dramas. Please keep in mind as the rules specifically state, that Genre is a very SUBJECTIVE and will vary from user to user.

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Quoting skipnet50:
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Please keep in mind as the rules specifically state,...


Feature requests may concern local databases. I never heard about rules concerning local. But perhaps I missed something...
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Very true, but with tags you can create as many Genres as you want, surfeur and you can define them ANY way you want. Why do we have to have EVERY conceivable Genre put into the list, but then someone will want the inconceivable. My feelings on this are similar related to language as well, irf there is Only one film in Mongolian Martian, why do we need to add that to the list. We have a manageable system now, is it perfect...NO,,, will it ever be...NO...but manageable sometime is the most important issue instead having the proverbial cast of THOUSANDS to wade through, it can be a downright nightmare. In the case of genre you camn also add so many, what amounts to Sub-Genre as to make it virtually impossible to enter data. At some point enough is ENOUGH. I asked specifically asked what that is, where we are now, 100, 500, 1000, 10,000? I think right now our list is near right, it is broad enough to be able to define most anything within reason without being so narrow and clogged up with Sub-Genre as to cause endless arguments and discussions over what is what.

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The OP is talking about for the main database... see where I put in bold...

Quoting locutus2k:
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And that's the point: there a lot of movies, from art house movies (Bunuel, Dali, Jodorowsky), to more "mainstream" movies (ex: David Lynch) that are just plain "Surreal" movies. I think a genre for Surrealism should be added to the main genres tab (the contributed ones).


And I do tend to agree with skip that the list must be manageable... but I personally don't have a problem with long lists of something like genres as they seem to be easy enough to manage since they are all in alphabetical order. If you are concerned about local only... this problem is solved with the new Beta Version as you can add as many as you like locally only. It is caledl Custom Genres... and Ken even gave us the ability to have 5 genres attached to a profile (I would personally like to have a couple more) At this point I have a total of 53 Genres in my beta version... and always considering if I need more. But as I said... these custom Genres are local only... but at least that should solve the problem for surfeur51.
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The OP is talking about for the main database... see where I put in bold...

Quoting locutus2k:
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And that's the point: there a lot of movies, from art house movies (Bunuel, Dali, Jodorowsky), to more "mainstream" movies (ex: David Lynch) that are just plain "Surreal" movies. I think a genre for Surrealism should be added to the main genres tab (the contributed ones).


And I do tend to agree with skip that the list must be manageable... but I personally don't have a problem with long lists of something like genres as they seem to be easy enough to manage since they are all in alphabetical order. If you are concerned about local only... this problem is solved with the new Beta Version as you can add as many as you like locally only. It is caledl Custom Genres... and Ken even gave us the ability to have 5 genres attached to a profile (I would personally like to have a couple more) At this point I have a total of 53 Genres in my beta version... and always considering if I need more. But as I said... these custom Genres are local only... but at least that should solve the problem for surfeur51.


Surely you jest.

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Well I would think it would solve THIS problem at least.

I am personally thrilled with the custom genres (just wish I had 7 or 8 slots per profile for genres) I basically given up on the idea of having decent genres for the online database... so I just do genres local only now. 

And just to be clear... I do think 5 genre spots per profile is more then enough for movies (well to be fair will say most movies)... but I see lots of occassions where it is not enough... especially on Anthologies and some TV Series. As an example...

I create custom genres for sub-genres.... like for horror sub-genres I have stuff like Vampires, werwolves, Anthologies, Action-Horror, Animal Attack, Comedy-Horror, Demons, Cult/Voodoo,  Ghost/Hauntings, Mummy, Psychological Horror, Slasher, Vampires, Witches, Werewolves, Zombies.

Now take a TV Series such as Tales from the Crypt (to just name one)...

Top 2 Slots:
- Television
- Horror

Now with up to a good 6 to 8 episodes per disc... if on a disc there is a slasher episode, a vampire episode, and a Voodoo episode that would fill all available slots by giving us...


- Television
- Horror
- Slashers
- Vampires
- Cult/Voodoo


... but that is only 3 out of up to 8 episodes taken care of. Get one more episode that don't fit into one of the already used genres I can't track it the way I prefer to. Of course I know there is tags... but now with custom genres I would prefer not to use tags for genres any longer.

So that is just one example where adding a few more custom genre spots would be helpful... there is many more... pretty much any anthology series could possibly use more.

So my suggestion is one of 2 things...

1. Give us a few more slots to help with such situations
2. Change up the genre a little so that we can add as many genres as we want... and still have the top 3 genres on the main database... just no custom genres for main database.
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You are now talking about Sub-genre as opposed to genres...big time, pete and that would be best left to Tags. look at your list there, they are all HORROR Genre, films, then you break them down into Sub genre, you could even break them further dow than that and THAT is eactly what i am talking about. Where does it end. We have a list of GENRE, we have new custom fields AND we can use the Tags, why do we need EVEN more crap to cxlof up the programs arteries. All right so i have high cholesterol.

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I realize all you said Skip... I really do. But sub-genres are still genres... just a sub category of them. that is why they are called sub-genres. So I personally prefer them to be with the genres locally... as I stated. So I see no harm in mentioning it. All I am saying is for some purposes 5 slots is not enough room if you are going to give us custom genres give us enough slots or the ability to have as many slots as we like for local use. I am saying this because I personally prefer not to have to look in 2 different places for what I consider the same information.
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The more genres the better IMO.  Tags are useful for some things but they are not a replacement for genres.  (They are not taken into account by Movie Pick as far as I can tell.  Not are they useful in reporting)

Sureal is clearly a good choice as films that can be cleassified as surreal rarely fit neatly (or even sloppily) into any other category. I give this request two big thumbs up.
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Snark:

So far no one answered my question and my concerns. I am not necessarily picking this particular Genre request. Where does it end and are we supposed to start accounting foir EVERY possibility from Every user that comes down the pike, thus winding up with a total mess at some point, along with data that would be argued incessantly, There comes a point where enough is enough, where is it. Evereybody can rationalize therir facorite choice a Genre just as you did but, do you want to have to dig through 1000 possibilities (which would be all to eay to achieve). As for the fields mentioned, you will NEVER have enough to satisfy everybody, if Ken gave us 10 fields someone would want 11. At some point....

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I agree with Skip here. Although there are some extra genres that would be nice, including surreal, the whole area of genres is far too subjective. If Ken adds 1 more then that could open it up for another 300 asking to be added.
Although they may not necessarily be the best, I think that any film/TV series/etc... can fit into the categories already available.
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