The subject says it all really..

After this has come up in a contribution (and contribution thread)

It seems the differences are almost impossible to see - lets make everybodies lfe easier and have just a single case type (certainly fot blu ray).
(I have no idea if the HD DVD disc cases are more easily seen as different).

Quoting pauls42:

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The subject says it all really..

After this has come up in a contribution (and contribution thread)

It seems the differences are almost impossible to see - lets make everybodies lfe easier and have just a single case type (certainly fot blu ray).
(I have no idea if the HD DVD disc cases are more easily seen as different).

If the only difference is some small slots that let a store add a lock to the case, we should merge the two case styles.

If we don't merge them, we should add a new case style to split the DVD Keep cases with the lock slots from the one that don't have them.

I am sure that very few of us would like to add even more DVD case types, so to keep it all consistent let's merge the two HD types.

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I'd be happier if Slim was renamed Elite (or something like that) as the name Slim does seem to suggest that thickness is important, whereas according to that thread that doesn't seem to be the case (no pun intended  ).

But according the Nadja's thread, the Blade Runner case is still a slim case, and it's the thickest there.

99% of all Blu-ray releases are either in a standard HD Slim Case or a standard HD Keep Case and I want to see those differentiated in the profile. I see absolutely no reason to remove this possibility because a handful of freak cases might make problems. A big fat No from me for this proposal.

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It's not the handful of case freaks where the problems are coming from, it's the large majority of users who don't know the difference, and probably won't encounter a Keep. It's not their fault, it's just a problem that is difficult to solve through education on the matter. At the very least, the term "HD Slim" should be changed, so as to remove the argument "this case isn't slim therefore it is a keep", which seems to be the angle most people are coming from.

Sorry, Nadja, but every time I visit this forum (which is nearly every day) I see yet another thread created by people seeing a problem where there is none. Your thread in the contribution discussion forum and this one here are good examples.

The argument you want to remove is the one that is exactly right: For profiling purposes anything that is not a Slim Case is a Keep Case, and a Slim Case is a case that has a smaller width than a SD case. So what you call a "Multidisc HD Slim" in the other thread is a Keep Case. Problem solved.

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Sorry, but that's just wrong. Read the thread I link to in the second post of my thread. Ken implented HD Keep Case purely for that one case type, the European/Australasian Red Tag-compatible, nowhere has he said that "anything bigger than the standard slim is a Keep."

As far as I'm aware Ken hasn't said anything about HD case types. So he also hasn't said that "anything bigger than the standard slim is a Keep" should not be the convention. And in my opinion that is exactly what should be implemented as the rule here.

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As for accusing me of inventing problems, you might want to check over the issue and think again. There hasn't BEEN a problem till now; personally I've seen few if any contributors confusing the two before now, and I have a pretty sizeable HD collection. Everyone who has worked on profiles for HD Keeps that I've seen has demonstrated that they know the difference, and the only confusion seems to be coming from people who are kept from encountering HD Keeps by geography. Which is of course fair enough, but that's for why I made that thread.

I didn't accuse you of "inventing" a problem, I said you are seeing one where there is none. That is a big difference.

At least we seem to share the same opinion about the HD case situation: "There hasn't BEEN a problem till now". So what is the purpose of this thread? Why would anyone like to see the differentiation removed from the Profiler when everybody is able to enter the correct information?

For me this differentiation is extremely important because the case type influences my buying decision for a Blu-ray release. Unfortunately in Germany we have a mishmash of case types (mostly slims but for some reason Fox and a few others use the Keep cases) and I like the Slim Cases much better. So I oppose this proposal 100% and I can guarantee you that nearly every other German user will see it the same way.

You have to follow it from the beginning to see how HD case types evolved. Of course to begin with there wasn't a type at all, they tended to be entered as Custom, or sometimes Keep. Whichever beta introduced the first type under the name "Elite". Most everyone accepted all HD cases as being under this banner, although the name itself, being a brand, was asked to be changed, so that became HD Slim. It was then that someone brought up the Red Tag variant, the cross between SD Keep and HD Slim, and proposed that the existing type be renamed Slim and there be a new one specifically for this Red Tag type (i.e. the European one), and THAT is what Ken acted on. Not that the case is bigger, but because it has fundamentally different physical characteristics to the various "slims". Width aside, slims have rounder edges, no red tag, and are the only type you'll find in Region A.

The slims, be they multidisc or single, be they thick or thin, are an original case type, in fact THE original HD case type. The Red Tag is a throwback to the SD Keep, and that's why for the past ten months it has been consistently treated as its own variant. Up until now I've rarely seen anyone try to label a multidisc slim as a Keep, and that's the kind of thing I keep an eye out for. Ironically, I've seen more than a few single-disc slims which were for some reason labelled keeps!

At any rate, the problem, if not with the very division of types, is with the label. That was what prompted the change from Elite but why it's NOW that it's going wrong, I couldn't possibly say.