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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLord Of The Sith
Registered: March 17, 2007
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I am not sure if this is against the rules, or if it has been asked for.  I was unable to turn it up in a search so I would like to request a rating distinction request between "Not Rated"(NR) and "Unrated"(UR).  I have many movies which receive the (NR) rating because they are TV shows or documentaries.  These are shows that if they fell into a child's hands in most cases would be fine.  I also have films which garner the (UR) rating, such as "American Pie" and "Mr. & Mrs. Smith" which I do not feel would be appropriate for a child to view.  Would it be possible and probable to add the "Unrated(UR) rating to the movie information so this distinction can be made?
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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I agree... Yesterday I just picked up the new version of Black Christmas which is unrated... and I just finished watching it. I would so hate to be out one day and my daughter go through my DVDProfiler to try to find something to watch and think this is safe because the rating says NR. Though movie has a nice biut of gore and I would hate for her to accidentally stumble onto it.

Of course I would hope that whoever is watching her would have better sense then that... but you just never know. Either way I see reason for an Unrated rating in profiler.
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Having Unrated would be nice since several films are marketed as unrated as their rating.  But yeah, I believe there is a difference between unrated (normally once rated movie that added stuff for DVD release and did not go back up to be re-examined for rating) and not rated.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorpdf256
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Having Unrated would be nice since several films are marketed as unrated as their rating.  But yeah, I believe there is a difference between unrated (normally once rated movie that added stuff for DVD release and did not go back up to be re-examined for rating) and not rated.

'Unrated' is marketing, it does not mean anything. If I put a different version of the film on the DVD than the one that was rated by the MPAA (USA rating group run by the movie companies) it is Unrated. It could even be a 'cleaner' version. If my movie got a 'PG-13' at first pass and I then removed things for a final rating of 'PG' only the 'PG' cut will be rated, the other is 'Unrated'.

If you want more mind opening info about this watch the film 'This Film is Not Yet Rated'.

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I am not sure if this is against the rules, or if it has been asked for.  I was unable to turn it up in a search so I would like to request a rating distinction request between "Not Rated"(NR) and "Unrated"(UR).  I have many movies which receive the (NR) rating because they are TV shows or documentaries.  These are shows that if they fell into a child's hands in most cases would be fine.  I also have films which garner the (UR) rating, such as "American Pie" and "Mr. & Mrs. Smith" which I do not feel would be appropriate for a child to view.  Would it be possible and probable to add the "Unrated(UR) rating to the movie information so this distinction can be made?

Not rated and unrated are indeed the same. If a studio decides not to let their movie be rated, you can't conclude that the movie is not appropriate for children. Specially if the rating process is not regulated by law like the MPAA in the USA. On the other side in some countries it is regulated by law that the movies have to pass some rating system in order that they can sell the movies to children(e.g. Germany)
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I am not sure if this is against the rules, or if it has been asked for.  I was unable to turn it up in a search so I would like to request a rating distinction request between "Not Rated"(NR) and "Unrated"(UR).  I have many movies which receive the (NR) rating because they are TV shows or documentaries.  These are shows that if they fell into a child's hands in most cases would be fine.  I also have films which garner the (UR) rating, such as "American Pie" and "Mr. & Mrs. Smith" which I do not feel would be appropriate for a child to view.  Would it be possible and probable to add the "Unrated(UR) rating to the movie information so this distinction can be made?


There is no difference semantically between 'Not Rated' and 'Unrated.'  If you want to differentiate between non-rated and X-rated, Adult, or NC-17, then that can be regulated in your preferences.  Non-rated and unrated mean just what they say, and should not be used as ratings.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLord Of The Sith
Registered: March 17, 2007
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I am not sure that I am getting my point across.  Adult and NC-17 do not equal Unrated anymore than G equals Not Rated.  As for Rifter it is not semantics I am talking about two words which CAN mean the same thing, but in this context do not.  When a movie comes out with an "R" rating in the theater and then is "Unrated" for its DVD release it is completely different than when a TV show like MASH comes out and is "Not Rated" as in was never given a rating in the first place.  I think it would be helpful to a lot of people who wish to make this distinction.  i do see where you are coming from, but I think this would still be a good feature.  It isn't like were are wading through 50 different ratings as it is.
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Quoting Lord Of The Sith:
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I am not sure if this is against the rules, or if it has been asked for.  I was unable to turn it up in a search so I would like to request a rating distinction request between "Not Rated"(NR) and "Unrated"(UR).  I have many movies which receive the (NR) rating because they are TV shows or documentaries.  These are shows that if they fell into a child's hands in most cases would be fine.  I also have films which garner the (UR) rating, such as "American Pie" and "Mr. & Mrs. Smith" which I do not feel would be appropriate for a child to view.  Would it be possible and probable to add the "Unrated(UR) rating to the movie information so this distinction can be made?


There is no difference semantically between 'Not Rated' and 'Unrated.'  If you want to differentiate between non-rated and X-rated, Adult, or NC-17, then that can be regulated in your preferences.  Non-rated and unrated mean just what they say, and should not be used as ratings.


There are sources that state that there is a difference such as this one, but you are right.  Look at Beerfest.  The front says Unrated, but on the back where you would see a rating it says Not Rated.  Some other titles say Unrated in the title, and Unrated on the back.

Just extra info for those that want to know, X or X-rated is not a MPAA rating anymore (MPAA uses NC-17) though kind of recognized by them - http://www.mpaa.org/FlmRat_Ratings.asp or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-rated
But technically speak because X is not an offical MPAA rating, X rated, XXX, Adult, etc movies are Not Rated because if they were rated by the MPAA it would be NC-17
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorVoltaire53
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Just to add to the conversation I should point out that the likely meaning will vary from country to country.
In the US TV releases are not rated but neither are 'gorier, uncut' versions of films, which means there is a difference and I agree with the original post there should be a way of identifying it within the Ratings section.
In the UK everything is rated except for education and some limited release documenatries... this makes the 'define NR as Adult' option stupid, except for imports.
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Registered: May 19, 2007
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I was going to start a new topic for this, but perhaps performing some thread necromancy would be suitable in this case.

Has the idea ever been brought up to expand the ratings section?  Either with a text box where the reason for the rating could be typed in (I realize only useful for newer movies).  Or better yet, a selection of checkboxes (Violence, Graphic Violence, Graphic/Gore Violence, Language, Strong Language, Adult Situations, Brief Nudity, Nudity, Graphic Nudity, etc.  You get the idea.) which could then also be used to filter movies.  So if you're child is looking for a movie to watch, lock down all the Violence entries or Sex/Nudity entries and then they get a limited number to choose from.

I realize this would just become one more thing to argue about when submitting profiles.  I think it would even be useful if this was local only and people had to set it all up themselves.  At least it would provide a way to distinguish between the Unrated's and the Not Rated's on something other than just the rating.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMark Harrison
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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I have to agree with those who say the words mean the same thing.  You might distinguish them however you choose, but I believe it will become a nightmare with contributions.  Not all Not Rated movies are "safe" for little ones and not all Unrated movies are necessarily bad.  This will lead to people wanting to change things to fit their own tastes.  So while it might work great on your local database, I think it would be a mistake to contribute those things.

What I have is a Kids tag.  I can then tag everything that is Kid appropiate.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorhydr0x
Registered: April 4, 2007
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It's not always the same, e.g. in the UK they got "Excempt from Classification" which afaik is used for material like stage shows, musical dvds, sports and similar stuff. It's not one of the official ratings though, and there's no equivalent in DVD Profiler.

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The 'E' in a square, triangle, circle, or similar (examples shown), is not a BBFC rating certificate, but rather a statement from the distributor certifying that they believe a video recording is exempt from classification under the Video Recordings Act 1984 (e.g. educational material and sport).


You have to understand that in most countries (unlike the US) every dvd gets SOME rating. DVDs without rating are very very rare and usually not available through the normal channels. So, for us, no rating doesn't mean "it's just not mpaa rated" at all, it means "it's something that wouldn't get even an 18 rating".

Examples of "complete" (as in: every normal dvd has some kind of rating, not just those with mpaa rated content) systems, and their definitions of "not rated" vs. "exempt from rating:

Australia
http://www.oflc.gov.au/special.html?n=281&p=193

UK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Board_of_Film_Classification
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Recordings_Act_1984

Germany (we do have even more "ratings", like SPIO/JK and Info/Educational)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freiwillige_Selbstkontrolle_der_Filmwirtschaft


conclusion: we need to somehow expand the ratings section to reflect the complete rating systems
- Jan
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