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Parsing: Kate Bowes Renna
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I have been doing some research and I am puzzled...

How would our "the better standard is '1/ /2 3'" users parse 'James Paul McCartney'?  How about 'Thomas Sean Connery'?  'James/ /Paul McCartney' and 'Thomas/ /Sean Connery' doen't seem right to me. 

In addition to those, I found these multipart names...'Elizabeth Alexandra Mary', 'William Arthur Philip Louis', 'Henry Charles Albert David' and 'Anne Elizabeth Alice Louise'.  I will admit that I do not know how to properly parse any of them.  Since they are British, should the above standard be applied to them as well?

My point is, no matter what standard you pick, it isn't going to fit every name and it won't make everybody happy.

Good ones, Martian and more reason why 1/2/3 is the more neutral position. Middle names do not appear all that uncommon outside of the US.

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I could come back with a number of equally insulting culture based remarks, like twice the last century the US had to step up and stop Germany, or save France's behind or whatever...but those accomplish nothing.


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Oh, and as an American, I voted for Kate//Bowes Renna
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I have been doing some research and I am puzzled...

How would our "the better standard is '1/ /2 3'" users parse 'James Paul McCartney'?  How about 'Thomas Sean Connery'?  'James/ /Paul McCartney' and 'Thomas/ /Sean Connery' doen't seem right to me. 

In addition to those, I found these multipart names...'Elizabeth Alexandra Mary', 'William Arthur Philip Louis', 'Henry Charles Albert David' and 'Anne Elizabeth Alice Louise'.  I will admit that I do not know how to properly parse any of them.  Since they are British, should the above standard be applied to them as well?

My point is, no matter what standard you pick, it isn't going to fit every name and it won't make everybody happy.


I know how to parse them all, as would anyone from here. However it matters not since they almost definitely won't appear like that in film credits. Most of us have additional forenames but they never get used except in very limited circumstances.
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My point is, no matter what standard you pick, it isn't going to fit every name and it won't make everybody happy.


Which is why I have in the past, now & probably in the future opposed using a standard, instead preferring that everyone does the same amount of work.
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I know how to parse them all, as would anyone from here. However it matters not since they almost definitely won't appear like that in film credits. Most of us have additional forenames but they never get used except in very limited circuimastances.

I didn't ask if you knew how to parse them, but how you would parse them.  I am not from there and, other than McCartney and Connery, have no idea.

In addition, I know they won't appear that way in film credits, it was a hypothetical question.  You said that '1/ /2 3' was a better standard because it would be right more often than it was wrong.  I found several examples, none of them American, where that standard would be wrong...and I didn't even have to look very hard.
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My point is, no matter what standard you pick, it isn't going to fit every name and it won't make everybody happy.


Which is why I have in the past, now & probably in the future opposed using a standard, instead preferring that everyone does the same amount of work.

Except that few, if any, will do that work.  You will enter them your way, I will enter them my way, everybody else will enter them their way and we end up with a non-linking mess.  Speaking for myself, it isn't a huge deal as I don't use Profiler that way but I know I am in the minority there.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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My point is, no matter what standard you pick, it isn't going to fit every name and it won't make everybody happy.


Which is why I have in the past, now & probably in the future opposed using a standard, instead preferring that everyone does the same amount of work.

Except that few, if any, will do that work.  You will enter them your way, I will enter them my way, everybody else will enter them their way and we end up with a non-linking mess.  Speaking for myself, it isn't a huge deal as I don't use Profiler that way but I know I am in the minority there.

          As I have said....


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My point is, no matter what standard you pick, it isn't going to fit every name and it won't make everybody happy.


Which is why I have in the past, now & probably in the future opposed using a standard, instead preferring that everyone does the same amount of work.

Except that few, if any, will do that work.  You will enter them your way, I will enter them my way, everybody else will enter them their way and we end up with a non-linking mess.  Speaking for myself, it isn't a huge deal as I don't use Profiler that way but I know I am in the minority there.


The point I'm trying to make though is why in the same scenario should one set of users have to provide documentation and the others not? Simply put it makes no sense.
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My point is, no matter what standard you pick, it isn't going to fit every name and it won't make everybody happy.


Which is why I have in the past, now & probably in the future opposed using a standard, instead preferring that everyone does the same amount of work.

Except that few, if any, will do that work.  You will enter them your way, I will enter them my way, everybody else will enter them their way and we end up with a non-linking mess.  Speaking for myself, it isn't a huge deal as I don't use Profiler that way but I know I am in the minority there.


The point I'm trying to make though is why in the same scenario should one set of users have to provide documentation and the others not? Simply put it makes no sense.

Oh, I see let's be FAIR.                   The only users it will affect are those users who want    The only users it affect is those users who wish to document somethin other than 1/2/3, and as I have explained this a relatively neutral position. Life is neither perfect nor fair. I have never said do 1/2/3 period and forget it, then I would be accused of being unfair to the arcane naming customs elsewhere, so in an attempt t get everyone on the same page we are still being unfair. I have an answer for this let's completely scrap the linking system and let everybody do whatever they want, like the martian I don't use profiler for linking so it is unimportant to ME.

But instead I recognize the importance to some if not the majority of users in wanting a functional linking system and try to create ways to accommodate them. But the malcontents simply want to sabotage that which they want so desperately. MMakes perfect sense to me...NOT.

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The point I'm trying to make though is why in the same scenario should one set of users have to provide documentation and the others not? Simply put it makes no sense.

And having no standard starting point, which is what we have now, makes no sense either...at least not to me.  As I said, using this example, I will enter 'Kate/Bowes/Renna'.  You might enter 'Kate/ /Bowes Renna'.  Someone else, because it is their custom, might enter 'Kate Bowes/ /Renna'.  What we end up with, are three names that will not link.  A standard starting point, no matter what that standard is, would eliminate that problem.  That, to me, makes more sense than worrying about who would or wouldn't have to provide documentation.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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My point is, no matter what standard you pick, it isn't going to fit every name and it won't make everybody happy.


Which is why I have in the past, now & probably in the future opposed using a standard, instead preferring that everyone does the same amount of work.

Except that few, if any, will do that work.  You will enter them your way, I will enter them my way, everybody else will enter them their way and we end up with a non-linking mess.  Speaking for myself, it isn't a huge deal as I don't use Profiler that way but I know I am in the minority there.


The point I'm trying to make though is why in the same scenario should one set of users have to provide documentation and the others not? Simply put it makes no sense.

Oh, I see let's be FAIR.                   The only users it will affect are those users who want    The only users it affect is those users who wish to document somethin other than 1/2/3, and as I have explained this a relatively neutral position. Life is neither perfect nor fair. I have never said do 1/2/3 period and forget it, then I would be accused of being unfair to the arcane naming customs elsewhere, so in an attempt t get everyone on the same page we are still being unfair. I have an answer for this let's completely scrap the linking system and let everybody do whatever they want, like the martian I don't use profiler for linking so it is unimportant to ME.

But instead I recognize the importance to some if not the majority of users in wanting a functional linking system and try to create ways to accommodate them. But the malcontents simply want to sabotage that which they want so desperately. MMakes perfect sense to me...NOT.

Skip<shakes head>


Of course it's those who you're trying to force to do more work who are less happy!!

And please note, I am NOT trying to sabotage ANYTHING. So far, in general what one person in one region has to do, so too does another person in a different region. I am trying to keep it that way here as well. That certainly is not an unreasonable request.
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The point I'm trying to make though is why in the same scenario should one set of users have to provide documentation and the others not? Simply put it makes no sense.

And having no standard starting point, which is what we have now, makes no sense either...at least not to me.  As I said, using this example, I will enter 'Kate/Bowes/Renna'.  You might enter 'Kate/ /Bowes Renna'.  Someone else, because it is their custom, might enter 'Kate Bowes/ /Renna'.  What we end up with, are three names that will not link.  A standard starting point, no matter what that standard is, would eliminate that problem.  That, to me, makes more sense than worrying about who would or wouldn't have to provide documentation.


Except as per what I'm trying to establish you wouldn't get one with Kate/Bowes/Renna and one with Kate//Bowes Renna. If you have to provide documentation backing them up regardless of which is the "norm" for your region then you'll still end up with properly linking results.
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Okay I now understand, Forget. you want it equally painful for all, which only result in reduced Contributions. And your method based on where you happen to live  succeeds i solving very little it seems to me Strange idea.

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. And your method based on where you happen to live  succeeds i solving very little it seems to me Strange idea.

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Uhm, I don't have a method based on where you live. I don't want a method based on where you live. I want a method where person 1, person 2, person 3, etc.... each has to do EXACTLY the same amount of work REGARDLESS of where he/she lives.
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Okay I now understand, Forget. you want it equally painful for all, which only result in reduced Contributions. And your method based on where you happen to live  succeeds i solving very little it seems to me Strange idea.

Tjhose of us which are not interested in linking have no been eliminated from contributing under your plan. I am quite content personally with 1/2/3 and if someone documents 1//23 three, then i am happy to accept it. But because of your plan I cannot Contribute because the linkers want to run the show, and I might add run it half-assed to boot. Nah no good, see what being fair gets you Forget, it is not possible.

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