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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Yes, it says Alfred Hictchcock's The Birds over TWO consecutive title screens due to the way Hicth chose to present it. If that is not enough for you, take that information, and what does it say on the Front Cover...still not enough for you what does it say on the back cover or do I need to provide screenshots for you. The title is CORRECT. Now, given the cover and the screen title, wouldn't it be then logical to use the Modified Title rule; mainly to avoid opening a can of worms...? Title: Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds (front) or Title: Alfred Hitchcock's "The Birds" (back) Original Title: The Birds | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) | | | | Last edited: by nuoyaxin |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Title: Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds (front)
Original Title: The Birds
Would seem best, as it matches closely the On screen
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 168 |
| | Posted: | | | | FWIW, according the the copyright registration held by Universal Pictures Inc on file in the US Copyright Office, the title IS simply "The Birds" This is NOT just another 3rd party database. If you want to look this up for yourself, start hereRegistered Works Database (Title Search) Search For: BIRDS 1 Item For a list of commonly used abbreviations that appear in the catalog record, click here. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Registration Number: RE-542-442 Title: The Birds; motion picture. By aUniversal Pictures Company, Inc. Claimant: acUniversal City Studios, Inc. (PWH) Effective Registration Date: 3Sep91 Original Registration Date: 28Mar63; Original Registration Number: LP25722. Original Class: L -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Home | Contact Us | Legal Notices | Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) | Library of Congress U.S. Copyright Office 101 Independence Ave. S.E. Washington, D.C. 20559-6000 (202) 707-3000 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes Achim, agreed.
Skip - the title is important, and slightly different to other things kept locally IMO, as it is often used as the search field when adding a new title.
No-one will search for 'The Birds' by typing in Alfred will they!!
FFS I'm sure people want to argue for the fun of it. | | |  | | | | Last edited: by hayley taylor |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MtnMike: Quote:
FWIW, according the the copyright registration held by Universal Pictures Inc on file in the US Copyright Office, the title IS simply "The Birds"
This is NOT just another 3rd party database. If you want to look this up for yourself, start here
Registered Works Database (Title Search)
Search For: BIRDS
1 Item
For a list of commonly used abbreviations that appear in the catalog record, click here.
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1. Registration Number: RE-542-442
Title: The Birds; motion picture. By aUniversal Pictures Company, Inc.
Claimant: acUniversal City Studios, Inc. (PWH)
Effective Registration Date: 3Sep91
Original Registration Date: 28Mar63;
Original Registration Number: LP25722.
Original Class: L
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(202) 707-3000 Mike IRRELEVANT, the Rules do not provide for that. All this extraneous CRAP is just that CRAP. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 168 |
| | Posted: | | | | Irrelevent to you perhaps but not to me (nor I would imagine to a lot of other users here).
What I'm saying with my post is that there is a official verifiable place to verify the title and I have chosen to share this information. You can call it irrelevant but that is you opinion. If there's disagreement over just what the actual title to this film is, I submit that the actual title is simply "The Birds", as the copyright on file cites.
I know what the current rules state and as they exist now, this and other Hitchcock film's have to have the silly IMO possesive. I'm just proving that that is NOT the actual film title regardless of how it has been marketed on this media |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | I disagree with using the modified title rule here. The rule was added for DVD special editions, where the box title was tweaked to be different to the credits title as per the examples in the rules. Certainly not the case here.
The title is clearly The Birds per the credits, lets not have a mess to satisfy a few "because I said so" people. | | | Andy 
"Credited as" Names Database |
|  | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
And Dan W, the title card is what is on screen, I'm not talking about a physical piece of card What is on screen is called a screen credit not a card. There is no telling where you picked up this slang but it is incorrect. It is called the title screen not title card. A title card is a physical piece of paper used in marketing. Now, you may argue that some films use cards for the titles and that is where the term you are using comes from but even that is incorrect. Most titles are on glass or some other transparent material so that an image is seen beyond the titles or even some sort of cloth or matte. Some are pages in a book and others are animated. Many are created using a "double exposure" technique and today, some titles are derived using CGI. My point is, there are countless methods of displaying the titles. Very few ever used cards and the title credit in a film is not called a "title card". | | | | Dan |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wow, it's a good thing this profile isn't actually up for a vote. Imagine how many pages we'd have it if it was?  (This is not a challenge for someone to submit a profile change  ) I've already changed it in my local and locked it down. But you know there must be something odd about the rules if there are actually people who can read them and feel justified in suddently changing the titles of 30 (give or take, I didn't count them) well-established classics. It's not like we're talking about Joe Schmuckie's Psycho, here. This is just crazy. |
| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Quoting MtnMike:
Quote:
FWIW, according the the copyright registration held by Universal Pictures Inc on file in the US Copyright Office, the title IS simply "The Birds"
This is NOT just another 3rd party database. If you want to look this up for yourself, start here
Registered Works Database (Title Search)
Search For: BIRDS
1 Item
For a list of commonly used abbreviations that appear in the catalog record, click here.
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1. Registration Number: RE-542-442
Title: The Birds; motion picture. By aUniversal Pictures Company, Inc.
Claimant: acUniversal City Studios, Inc. (PWH)
Effective Registration Date: 3Sep91
Original Registration Date: 28Mar63;
Original Registration Number: LP25722.
Original Class: L
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Mike
IRRELEVANT, the Rules do not provide for that. All this extraneous CRAP is just that CRAP.
Skip Skip, the above post is pretty conclusive. Do you mind stating your reason for saying that the title is "Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds"? You haven't done so and I would like to know what you are basing your point of view on. "I said so" doesn't cut it with me but you already know that. In an earlier post you said you agree with me. Exactly what is it that I said that you are agreeing with? | | | | Dan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | This topic has been hotely debated in the past. To be honest, I just want a final determination on "Possessives". To be or not to be  . Refer to below listed Intervocative threads regarding Titles/Possessives: HereHereHereHereand HereHappy reading  . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 374 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting sugarjoe: Quote:
The Birds. I don't mean just the Hitchcock titles sugarjoe. I mean all titles with possessives in the Title Field. There has never really been a final determination as to their inclusion or exclusion. I just wish this could somehow be addressed in the "Rules" regarding titles so that "discussions" such as this one don't keep cropping up distracting us from our main purpose in life...buying more DVDs . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Honestly, I suspect that it has to get handled on a title by title basis. However, if you can demonstrate a pattern over a particular artist's work, it would seem unnecessary to slug through each of those titles. One of the one's I remember seeing on someone's list was H. P. Lovecraft's Re-Animator. Well, I can't speak for any other region, but here in the states that was the title, unwieldy though it may be. Generally speaking though, you don't see many titles like this. You'd think it would be easy because they don't come up so often, but leave it to us to complicate things. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Fine if you say the rules are clear and we use what is on screen - then how about we retitle the film:
"Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds From the Story by Daphne du Maurier"
That is after all what we see on screen. If we accept that what is on the previous screen is valid, then you must also accept that what is on the same screen is also valid.
And Dan W, the title card is what is on screen, I'm not talking about a physical piece of card I haven't read past this point yet so forgive me if I repeat what someone else has said...  DING - DING - DING, we have a winner. This is the logical next step in Skip's arguement...he just fails to see it. For as long as I have been using Profiler, the title has always been taken from a SINGLE screenshot. What Skip wants to do now will open the door to many, MANY, idiotic things. It is unfortunate that he wants to take this stand without looking at the big picture.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Honestly, I suspect that it has to get handled on a title by title basis. However, if you can demonstrate a pattern over a particular artist's work, it would seem unnecessary to slug through each of those titles. One of the one's I remember seeing on someone's list was H. P. Lovecraft's Re-Animator. Well, I can't speak for any other region, but here in the states that was the title, unwieldy though it may be. Generally speaking though, you don't see many titles like this. You'd think it would be easy because they don't come up so often, but leave it to us to complicate things. Brings to mind "Bruce Campbell Vs. Army of Darkness" doesn't it . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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