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How do big name movies sneak into DVDP with such meager info?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantRooster6975
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Edit: just to make it clear, as from your post I'm not sure you're aware: if you download a profile from the online and then change either the UPC or the locality, this breaks the connection to the online and in a sense you've created a new profile. This new profile may or may not link to a different existing online profile, but any subsequent changes will not affect the original downloaded profile.


Hi,

Yeah, I realize that.  Diff locality + same UPC makes diff profile, consequently re-uploading to the DB will make a new record.

For my own DVD collection, V for Vendetta is now fine.  Cover art matches exactly, UPC matches, cast + crew are all filled in, and locality is set to "Canada".  Do you want me to do anything to the "Canada (Quebec)" entry?  At the very least I can paste in the cast + crew, because I know that will be the same.  I assume that the features will also be the same given that the UPC is identical, but I don't know that for certain.  Or should I just leave that to someone who actually owns the "Canada (Quebec)" DVD to ensure accuracy ?

Thanks,
DD.
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All it takes is a simple comment somewhere - even on the contribution page itself - saying that the notes must be in english. That's not too much to ask is it?


No, and I never said it was, but this notion that it shouldn't be obvious...to me at least...just doesn't wash.

But that's just me.


To me, it wasn't obvious and I'm fluent in English.

I was just under the impression, the system was mostly automated and contribution notes were for people who would vote on that specific contribution, i.e. people from the same locality as the DVD edition.

I still haven't wrapped my head around the concept that Gerri screens EVERY SINGLE contribution that is sent. It is mind boggling !


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Pay no attention to surfeur, Ken reminded as recently as ONE week ago that there is NO automated screening process. Gerri's primary job is to screen the Contributions, she may have some assistance (we don't know). Yes it is mind-booggling, back at IVS they were handling as high 45,000 Contributions per month. Keep in mind that it is impossible for Ken and Gerri to possess a copy of all 300,000 in the database, so they are dependent on US to follow the Rules and provide accurate data and detailed notes with documentation to support our work, remember you are also communicating with 500,000+ other users and your Contribution notes serve as sort of a bibliography (which is where the documentation comes into play). Six months from now if someone wants to Contribute data over what you did, are your notes going to be helpful or meaningless.

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[Hi,

Yeah, I realize that.  Diff locality + same UPC makes diff profile, consequently re-uploading to the DB will make a new record.

For my own DVD collection, V for Vendetta is now fine.  Cover art matches exactly, UPC matches, cast + crew are all filled in, and locality is set to "Canada".  Do you want me to do anything to the "Canada (Quebec)" entry?  At the very least I can paste in the cast + crew, because I know that will be the same.  I assume that the features will also be the same given that the UPC is identical, but I don't know that for certain.  Or should I just leave that to someone who actually owns the "Canada (Quebec)" DVD to ensure accuracy ?

Thanks,
DD.



If I was you I would just do the UPC that you actually own, since you have the DVD in your hand to verify the data. If somebody else with the other version wants to input the data that is up to them, but at least then you will know if they do they will have had to verify the data.

Sounds a bit unfair I know, but we have found in the past some variations in cast / crew listings between countries.

Steve
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Hmmm...how will including a note on the Contribution Page or in the Rules stating that Contribution Notes must be in English help Non-English speaking users? If they can't read or understand English, how is this note, in English, going to help?  

Easy, they simply read the translated version of the contribution rules.

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Hmmm...how will including a note on the Contribution Page or in the Rules stating that Contribution Notes must be in English help Non-English speaking users? If they can't read or understand English, how is this note, in English, going to help?  

Easy, they simply read the translated version of the contribution rules.

cya, Mithi


Depends on Who has done the translating in the first place...doesn't appear to be many user from immediately across the English Channel in the forum's.

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Hmmm...how will including a note on the Contribution Page or in the Rules stating that Contribution Notes must be in English help Non-English speaking users? If they can't read or understand English, how is this note, in English, going to help?  

Easy, they simply read the translated version of the contribution rules.

cya, Mithi


Really? Where is this "translated version of the contribution rules" and how many languages is it translated into?
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If I was you I would just do the UPC that you actually own, since you have the DVD in your hand to verify the data. If somebody else with the other version wants to input the data that is up to them, but at least then you will know if they do they will have had to verify the data.

Sounds a bit unfair I know, but we have found in the past some variations in cast / crew listings between countries.

Steve

I agree with Steve, let someone who owns the Canada (Quebec) profile update the info - they'll always have your Canada profile to copy from once it's accepted.
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There is no requirement under the Rules to do this!


Exact. Rules are yet very complicated (for english speaking people, and I don't tell about people who do not speak english), but there are some users that want even more, just to be sure more users will stop contributing (as they did themselves...)


Stop your negative attitude


I second, third, fourth and fifth that!   

If we had a requirement that one could not have a negative attitude around here, there would be a lot less posts. As with anything on the internet, we can only control ourselves, what we say, who we block, etc.

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Then why did they buy a program that is english based? 


They bought this program because they saw it, in french, on my computer and found it marvellous. I installed their version, with my own translation file. So, for them, they can use it without speaking english.

And all you do is whine, because Profiler has a way to do things and Profiler's way isn't YOUR way. It's not enough for you to simply not contribute, which you know i support. I agree with what has been said already. Stop with negative attitude. If you don't like profiler go find something else...PLEASE.

Skip

You frequently comment that others are "thought police" and other less tasteful slurs when you feel they are trying to get you to stop saying something. Why do you find it acceptable to tell another user, equal to yourself, to go somewhere else? Doesn't that make you the "thought police"?

I do not share all of Surfeur's views but his comments are often informative. I don't care to see him driven out of town by those who disagree with him or those who don't want to see the same topics readdressed. The topics here ebb and flow and recycle all the time. Many of us repeat ourselves.

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Pay no attention to surfeur, Ken reminded as recently as ONE week ago that there is NO automated screening process. Gerri's primary job is to screen the Contributions, she may have some assistance (we don't know). Yes it is mind-booggling, back at IVS they were handling as high 45,000 Contributions per month. Keep in mind that it is impossible for Ken and Gerri to possess a copy of all 300,000 in the database, so they are dependent on US to follow the Rules and provide accurate data and detailed notes with documentation to support our work, remember you are also communicating with 500,000+ other users and your Contribution notes serve as sort of a bibliography (which is where the documentation comes into play). Six months from now if someone wants to Contribute data over what you did, are your notes going to be helpful or meaningless.

Skip

No questions there. All I'm pointing out is that until recently, I believed the only people who were going to read my notes were fellow DVDP users who owned the same edition. In that case, it seems more logical to write the notes in the language of the locality of the profile. Since someone from Invelos (Gerri) is actually screening that changes everything but I'm just stating that it isn't obvious and when the contrib notes language is the reason for a contrib being declined it is not specified in the decline.
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...remember you are also communicating with 500,000+ other users...

Skip


DVDProfiler has 500,000+ users? Really?
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That number never changes.. But I'm sure there are a lot more just this past month.. 
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I agree with Steve, let someone who owns the Canada (Quebec) profile update the info - they'll always have your Canada profile to copy from once it's accepted.


OK, works for me.

Tks,
DD.
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OK, your view is 100% right, mine 100% wrong. Happy ?


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To me, it wasn't obvious and I'm fluent in English.

I was just under the impression, the system was mostly automated and contribution notes were for people who would vote on that specific contribution, i.e. people from the same locality as the DVD edition.


That is why I included the caveat, "to me."  I can accept that it is not obvious to everyone.

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I still haven't wrapped my head around the concept that Gerri screens EVERY SINGLE contribution that is sent. It is mind boggling !


That it is.
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In fact, I think (and I hope for Gerri, though I've no more information than other users here), that there is an automated system that analyses contribution notes, and refuses them each time it find some keywords as IMDb, DVDshrink... That would be why we can see this kind of problem . And perhaps Gerri have a second viewing on some of them.


As Ken mentioned here, there is no automated system.

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Or Gerri really screens everything and she has forbidden Ken to release next version as she is far too happy that we cannot contribute with 3.5 beta.   


As Gerri says here, she sees 99% of the contributions.  I wonder who sees the other 1%? 
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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As Ken mentioned here, there is no automated system.

Sorry to correct the master but... 
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FYI, there are no automated declines.

He doesn't say there is no automated system, just that there are "no automated declines". 
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