Simon, the main reason to provide a timestamp and/or additional information for the appearance of an uncredited actor is to allow voters to check the scene also. Having verifiable information that can be independently checked by other people will increase the likelihood of getting yes votes.

As others have pointed out, the contribution notes provide a history of the contributions for all areas of the profile. This history can be useful when auditing a profile if the notes fully explain what has been changed and why. To me this is even more important in regards to the uncredited cast because there is no other place than the contribution notes to determine how those names got there in the first place.

The unfortunate thing is the current history only goes back to the beginning of the new db (March 07), so the only way to track back further is to use the old version of the program to access the notes from the old db. Most of the older profiles do not have verified uncredited cast, they were mostly added "in the old days" before rules and when scraped data from "other" databases was used. Those entries have been grandfathered as verified.

But that was then and this is now, and the rules require naming the source for submitted information. Ken has posted specifically on this. Since uncredited cast is by definition not listed in the film credits (the only acceptable source for cast and crew information) we all have to do a little extra work when adding them.

As far as an uncredited voice, I would like to see something more substantive than a timestamp since many people can sound the same and some impersonators do other's voices quite well. If some form of verifiable reference can not be found, it is probably best not to contribute them.

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Simon, you are not alone, some other people are 100% OK with what you think. It's just a little difficult to be understood here.

You are confusing understanding with agreement.  We can understand what you are saying without having to agree with you. 

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Some time ago someone, a very active forum member, suggested 'Just change the IM.. description a little'.  Is it not a problem now that many will use IM.. and not say so, and with respect to the credits, just say it all is contributed as in the end credits. Mind you, I don't advocate this! But it might be a problem.

I'd really like to know who that was and suggest an immediate contribution ban for this user. 

And not something I would suggest doing as Ken has openly said if anyone is caught doing so would be permanently banned from contributing.

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Simon:

There is no requirement for you to Contribute to the database, you can choose to do your own thing and no one will care.

Skip

I hope this does not mean what I read in it. Does not give me a real feeling of 'join the club'. Glad I know some people who really appreciate the many hours I spend on making contributions. And believe me it is not for my own 'glory', but the idea that my work is of good use to other users. Is not that the basic idea of Profiler. I don't want to score with an incomplete profile just to get my name in the database. So I really care for the contributions of others and can be very satisfied when I find a nice profile for the film I just bought. That is what Profiler is all about.

Might it not also be that 'we Dutch' always have some -SLIGHT- problems with FOLLOWING THE RULES. To me it sometimes looks like a straightjacket, follow the rules or you are OUT, it reminds me of bad things. But I must add, I am a very law-abiding man, no criminal record and so. And seem to understand more than is thought of me.
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Some time ago someone, a very active forum member, suggested 'Just change the IM.. description a little'.  Is it not a problem now that many will use IM.. and not say so, and with respect to the credits, just say it all is contributed as in the end credits. Mind you, I don't advocate this! But it might be a problem.

I'd really like to know who that was and suggest an immediate contribution ban for this user. 

I hope that this contribution behaviour is not a tip of the iceberg 

Today, I opened the database page to look at new recontributions. There was none. That is the first time for four years (including IVS years) that it happens concerning the DVDs I have in my collection.

Even if here most of people disagree with what I wrote before, I'm sure it's the beginning of what I fear : no more contributions, then no more interest for newbies to choose DVDprofiler if the database is  empty...

I'm not sure that is exactly what Ken wants  .

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Today, I opened the database page to look at new recontributions. There was none. That is the first time for four years (including IVS years) that it happens concerning the DVDs I have in my collection.

Even if here most of people disagree with what I wrote before, I'm sure it's the beginning of what I fear : no more contributions, then no more interest for newbies to choose DVDprofiler if the database is  empty...

I'm not sure that is exactly what Ken wants  .

What is it that you don't get about not being able to use IMDB? Are you simple?

Quoting surfeur51:

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Today, I opened the database page to look at new recontributions. There was none. That is the first time for four years (including IVS years) that it happens concerning the DVDs I have in my collection.

Even if here most of people disagree with what I wrote before, I'm sure it's the beginning of what I fear : no more contributions, then no more interest for newbies to choose DVDprofiler if the database is  empty...

I'm not sure that is exactly what Ken wants  .

I find that very hard to believe.  I know I have seen many days/weeks where I didn't have a single profile to vote on.  You seem to be exaggerating to try and bolster your point, but it doesn't ring true.