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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think you a bring an apple to an orange basket, Rho. BUT, now I don't put Studios into this category so for this I will ignore the Studios.
There are THREE possible answers for Production year
The Year of the Copyright
The Year of the Last Released Movie
The Year of the First Released Movie
The Copyright could be used except that most of the time the Copyright of the box will be same Year as the Set was released for sale, release date.
I don't think the Last movie in the set lends any information that is really useful
But the Earliest date in the set does lend SOME value
I haven't looked in awhile but I believe we are required to enter SOMETHING in order to Contribute the data. We are NOT required to enter ANY Studio data for Contribution | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting RHo:
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Studios which are valid for the entire box set should be listed.
Why? We don't do that with any other data.
Yes, we do. We add the runtime, True. Quote:
we take the overviews, No, we don't. From the rules: If the box set cover contains a listing of contents with brief descriptions of each, enter it directly into the Overview field. If there is no overview on the cover, an overview from an included booklet may be substituted. Otherwise, enter an itemized listing of the contents only, without descriptions.You will note that using the overview from the attached films is not mentioned as a valid source. Quote:
we use the rating, No, we don't. From the rules. If the Box Set has a rating, use it in the profile. If it does not, use NR as the rating. Exception: If any disc in the set is rated Adult, list the set as AdultWe use the rating of the Box Set, if it has one. If it doesn't, we use NR. Other than for Adult ratings, we do not use the rating from the child profiles. Quote:
we take the production year of the older film, True, but this really isn't data that applies to all child profiles. Quote:
we take the country of origin. I use the CoO of the MC for the Box Set. While it may be the same as the children, it isn't always so, no, we don't take that information from the children. Quote:
You see, we take a lot of info which is actually attached to the films (child profiles) and put it in the parent profile as well. No, we don't. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | As far as I'm concerned box sets should have the following:
Title
Edition (if applicable)
regions (because DVDP makes you enter something and list as all-region would be misleading)
production year (ideally it wouldn't have this, but DVDP makes you have it)
rating (if applicable to the set, not just if the movies all have the same rating)
release date
case type
SRP
media companies
features (but only stuff that won't be covered by the contents)
overview
box set contents
cover scans
and not the following:
Original title
country of origin
run time
video info
genres
studios
audio info
subtitle info
cast crew
Easter eggs
discs
However, I wouldn't argue that's what the rule says now. If someone wants to include something that's not specifically excluded, I won't make a fuss. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
RHo,
Would you also add the aspect ratio and other video info along with the genre to the "boxset" profile if it were the same for all of the movies contained therein?
These fields are also "not mentioned" in the boxset Rules, so applying your approach, you should also enter them, shouldn't you? Personally, I would see no reason not to enter them under those conditions. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
No, I said there is no "Theatrical Release" studio associated with a box set. Ok, but anyway, profiler associates the theatrical release to the box set. Why not the studios? | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
There are THREE possible answers for Production year
The Year of the Copyright
The Year of the Last Released Movie
The Year of the First Released Movie No, we could leave the field blank as well like the credits. But the rules tell us not to. |
| | Registered: April 4, 2007 |  Posts: 883 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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A "Movie boxset" does not have a "Theatrical Release" or "Production" studio....period.
That's why the rules ask us to enter the earliest production year (as defined as theatrical release for profiler purposes). No reason not to enter studios. The reason we need a production year is because otherwise we would not be able to sort by production year correctly unless we disable the "nest box sets" option. As MadMartian pointed out, we do NOT track the rating and overview of the children in the boxset but rather the boxset's own overview (from the box) and rating (also from the box). You're completely wrong in saying these are taken from the children or that a boxset does not have an overview or rating. | | | | - Jan |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
No, we could leave the field blank as well like the credits.
But the rules tell us not to. You can't leave it blank. This is a required field. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hydr0x: Quote:
You're completely wrong in saying these are taken from the children or that a boxset does not have an overview or rating. I have never said that (and if, it was an error). I have said that take the rating from the associated films. And this is true when those ratings are printed on the cover (which is often true). I have not realised in that post that if the ratings of the films are only printed on the "inner" packaging, we track the box as NR. But aren't the ratings printed on the outer cover on almost all boxes even in the US? For the overview it is still true that we are taking the overviews for the individual films when they are printed on the cover or booklet. For me the distinction that most of you are doing, that the parent profile is for the packaging only and the children are for the films, is not true. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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No, we could leave the field blank as well like the credits.
But the rules tell us not to.
You can't leave it blank. This is a required field. Maybe, I haven't checked, but it has been a decision from Invelos (or Intervocative in that case) when box set profiles were introduced to make it a mandatory field with data from the films and not from the package, when they could have made it the other way around. There has been an active decision that the parent profile is not only about the packaging but also about the films. That's my point. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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There are THREE possible answers for Production year
The Year of the Copyright
The Year of the Last Released Movie
The Year of the First Released Movie
No, we could leave the field blank as well like the credits.
But the rules tell us not to. Really Rho, try leaving Production Year and Contributing it. ROFL. The Production Year HAS to be filled in.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
As far as I'm concerned box sets should have the following:
Title
Edition (if applicable)
regions (because DVDP makes you enter something and list as all-region would be misleading)
production year (ideally it wouldn't have this, but DVDP makes you have it)
rating (if applicable to the set, not just if the movies all have the same rating)
release date
case type
SRP
media companies
features (but only stuff that won't be covered by the contents)
overview
box set contents
cover scans
and not the following:
Original title
country of origin
run time
video info
genres
studios
audio info
subtitle info
cast crew
Easter eggs
discs
However, I wouldn't argue that's what the rule says now. If someone wants to include something that's not specifically excluded, I won't make a fuss. Think I can fully agree with that. Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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Quoting RHo:
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No, we could leave the field blank as well like the credits.
But the rules tell us not to.
You can't leave it blank. This is a required field.
Maybe, I haven't checked, but it has been a decision from Invelos (or Intervocative in that case) when box set profiles were introduced to make it a mandatory field with data from the films and not from the package, when they could have made it the other way around.
There has been an active decision that the parent profile is not only about the packaging but also about the films. That's my point. But you are not qualified to pick an argument. how many other arguments have you been unqualified to pick or weigh in on. That's basic knowledge, Rho, including Production Year data has ALWAYS been true. Sorry, bub. Maybe you should be sure you know what you are talking about FIRST. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
|   | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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As far as I'm concerned box sets should have the following:
Title
Edition (if applicable)
regions (because DVDP makes you enter something and list as all-region would be misleading)
production year (ideally it wouldn't have this, but DVDP makes you have it)
rating (if applicable to the set, not just if the movies all have the same rating)
release date
case type
SRP
media companies
features (but only stuff that won't be covered by the contents)
overview
box set contents
cover scans
and not the following:
Original title
country of origin
run time
video info
genres
studios
audio info
subtitle info
cast crew
Easter eggs
discs
However, I wouldn't argue that's what the rule says now. If someone wants to include something that's not specifically excluded, I won't make a fuss.
Think I can fully agree with that.
Donnie +1 | | | | Cor |
| | Muckl | | That's my common name. |
| Registered: April 9, 2009 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 858 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Quoting DarklyNoon:
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Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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As far as I'm concerned box sets should have the following:
Title
Edition (if applicable)
regions (because DVDP makes you enter something and list as all-region would be misleading)
production year (ideally it wouldn't have this, but DVDP makes you have it)
rating (if applicable to the set, not just if the movies all have the same rating)
release date
case type
SRP
media companies
features (but only stuff that won't be covered by the contents)
overview
box set contents
cover scans
and not the following:
Original title
country of origin
run time
video info
genres
studios
audio info
subtitle info
cast crew
Easter eggs
discs
However, I wouldn't argue that's what the rule says now. If someone wants to include something that's not specifically excluded, I won't make a fuss.
Think I can fully agree with that.
Donnie
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