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| Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Vittra: Quote:
We're allowed pictures in our signatures, right?  | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting richierich: Quote:
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Quoting samuelrichardscott:
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I suppose I just find it funny that some people think it is completely disrespectful (and I am trying not to be) for some of us to expect the rules to be updated as posts are made by the rule setters.
Let me be very clear on this point...I don't think it is completely disrespectful to expect the rules to be updated with all the clarifications. Unrealistic, yes. Disrespectful, no. Most of us have tried, more times than I can count, to get this done. Have a look through the rules forum. You will find many discussions, followed by polls, concerning rule changes. Very few have made it into the rules.
If you lot, from DVDSpot, think you will have better luck, then, by all means, give it a go. As long as you aren't a TOTAL jackass, cocky, arrogant and don't show a complete disregard for peoples feelings, most of us old timers will be happy to participate...just don't expect us to have the same enthusiasm as you do. Ten years of history is hard to forget.
exactly how I feel. 
and me Need I say ditto? | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Vittra: Quote:
Why you feel that something that hasn't worked before just should be given up on is beyond me. Things change. Like others have said, it saddens me that veterans around here (some) have completely given up on the idea of change and others (a few) want to completely shut them up. You are misrepresenting what we've given up on. It's not change that many of us have given up on. It's that we don't expect Ken will EVER change the way he runs Invelos. You seem to think that after asking for something for several years with no response, because you will persist in making those requests that you will be successful where your predecessors were not. The only think that is likely to result from continuing to make demands is to annoy the powers that be. If Ken though it is of a high enough priority to update the rules he would have done so already. Why is it so hard to grasp that the likelihood of success is slim to none -- and Slim, like Elvis, has left the building. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | But slim is something Like I've said personally, I can see why the more established members have gotten to the point where they are, but there's no harm in trying. You say: "If Ken though it is of a high enough priority to update the rules he would have done so already." What can be of higher priority than updating the rules so people can add to the database to the standards required? Like I said, I respect the older members and their decisions to say "go for it, but don't expect anything" and the database wouldn't be where it is now without you guys, but I just can't sit back (maybe in 10 years )... It's just not me.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sam: I don't know where you are. But in the US we say Slim and none and slim left town, or in Ken's case the building. Slim is non-existent. I think you should perhaps change your handle...to ...Don Quixote. Nio, I am not Sancho Panza, Kathy though might make a good Dulcinea.  To dream the impossible dream....I keep forgetting I promised neverto sing again. I can't help it. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | "Slim and none"? Did you mean "slim to none"? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 940 |
| | Posted: | | | | I seem to remember a posting from Ken about his reluctance to update the rules too often. It was quite a while ago and I'm too lazy to search for it. The jist of the post was his concern of the rules changing too often and causing confusion. I could wll be misremembering. Maybe someone else remembers this?
In the absence of frequently updating the rules with forum "clarifications" it would be nice to have them accumulated in a separate locked thread though.
As far as all you new guys pushing for rule changes, I say go for it! But, like Unicus, I am fairly certain things here will stay pretty much the same. | | | | Kevin |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
"Slim and none"? Did you mean "slim to none"? Either way, Doc. In my part of the Country it's slim and none, but I know in other parts it is slim to none. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting antolod: Quote:
In the absence of frequently updating the rules with forum "clarifications" it would be nice to have them accumulated in a separate locked thread though. Definitely a good idea. A small update to the rules in addition to that stating to check that thread for updated info. Otherwise you'll get some not following it because it's not in the rules. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting antolod: Quote:
I seem to remember a posting from Ken about his reluctance to update the rules too often. It was quite a while ago and I'm too lazy to search for it. The jist of the post was his concern of the rules changing too often and causing confusion. I could wll be misremembering. Maybe someone else remembers this?
In the absence of frequently updating the rules with forum "clarifications" it would be nice to have them accumulated in a separate locked thread though.
As far as all you new guys pushing for rule changes, I say go for it! But, like Unicus, I am fairly certain things here will stay pretty much the same. Well, ant as I have alluded to previously, I think it depends on what these guys think they want. It is unrealistic, and I will use an extreme example, to expect daily updates to the Rules. It would not only make the editor crazy, but the screeners would be incapable of keeping up with such frequent changes and I suspect it would prove highly confusing to users as well. Now who knows what ken's precise thinking is, were i he, I think probably twice a year would be a good balance point. But is just me, and were I Ken it might be entirely possible that I would find even twice a year to be too frequent Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, to be honest, even in the 2 1/2 years I've been around, things have moved slowly in the contribution rules. I have really only seen 1 update, and it was right after the last major program update. I do believe that Ken does care, although, sometimes I think it is just Gerri and him that is the company. With all the programing and mobile and IPhone and... that everybody wants, I am sure that besides his family, he is quite occupied. I would be very much in favor of a rewrite, if nothing else to make the rules easier to understand and not so ambiguous. I do see major problems. If those forums get half as contentious as they do elsewhere, nothing will get done. If we do this, I would suggest 1. Get Ken's "blessing" 2. Ask ken for strict forum moderation. And I mean strict, nothing off topic, no personal attacks, no attacking the moderators, no attacking the owners (would be unwise anyway). Decide the ground rules and decide the punishment for not abiding by those rules. I also think the forum moderator should not participate in the forum and be completely unbiased (if possible) 3. Decide on a breakdown of sections to work on. only work on 1 or 2 at a time. If one becomes deadlocked put on hold and work on another. 4. When a consensus is agreed upon in the forum, I would suggest posting in a general section for everybody to view and vote. I say this, because there are a lot of people that will choose not to participate in the discussions, but it will effect them too. 5. If voting is approved, then submit to Ken for approval. With the variance of opinion, even on some minor things, I think this is going to be a tough battle to get a lot changed. Otherwise I say, go for it |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Another thing to remember, we are going through a beta for a new version.
If we start this anytime soon, we will have to be cognizant of that fact. |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
It is unrealistic It's not even close to unrealistic to want better customer service for your money. No one is asking for daily, weekly, monthly or even bi-monthly updates to the rules. That's not the point at all. The point is, that when the rules NEED updating, they SHOULD be updated. Some poor new user shouldn't have people trampling all over him with no votes because he followed the rules, but there was a post seven months ago that's now hidden on the 21st page of the contribution forum that revised those rules, but the revision was never entered into the official rules. Getting the rules updated on a regular basis when they need to be is not an unrealistic goal to want to achieve. The point is, that when a thread reaches page 17 of absolutely nothing productive because everyone's screaming at each other and calling each other names over something silly like the parsing of someone's name, that a simple post to clarify from someone that is able to clarify, SHOULD be given (preferrably, if Ken does as he says and reads every thread on the boards, before the s**t starts to fly). That's not an unrealistic goal to want to achieve either. No one's asking for the world. We're asking for baby steps. Not in the least bit unrealistic. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
Quoting Woola:
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It is unrealistic
It's not even close to unrealistic to want better customer service for your money.
No one is asking for daily, weekly, monthly or even bi-monthly updates to the rules. That's not the point at all. The point is, that when the rules NEED updating, they SHOULD be updated. Some poor new user shouldn't have people trampling all over him with no votes because he followed the rules, but there was a post seven months ago that's now hidden on the 21st page of the contribution forum that revised those rules, but the revision was never entered into the official rules. Getting the rules updated on a regular basis when they need to be is not an unrealistic goal to want to achieve.
The point is, that when a thread reaches page 17 of absolutely nothing productive because everyone's screaming at each other and calling each other names over something silly like the parsing of someone's name, that a simple post to clarify from someone that is able to clarify, SHOULD be given (preferrably, if Ken does as he says and reads every thread on the boards, before the s**t starts to fly). That's not an unrealistic goal to want to achieve either.
No one's asking for the world. We're asking for baby steps. Not in the least bit unrealistic. Now to be honest, a lot of new people make mistakes because they don't read the rules. Especially some pretty obvious ones. |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
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It is unrealistic
It's not even close to unrealistic to want better customer service for your money.
No one is asking for daily, weekly, monthly or even bi-monthly updates to the rules. That's not the point at all. The point is, that when the rules NEED updating, they SHOULD be updated. Some poor new user shouldn't have people trampling all over him with no votes because he followed the rules, but there was a post seven months ago that's now hidden on the 21st page of the contribution forum that revised those rules, but the revision was never entered into the official rules. Getting the rules updated on a regular basis when they need to be is not an unrealistic goal to want to achieve.
The point is, that when a thread reaches page 17 of absolutely nothing productive because everyone's screaming at each other and calling each other names over something silly like the parsing of someone's name, that a simple post to clarify from someone that is able to clarify, SHOULD be given (preferrably, if Ken does as he says and reads every thread on the boards, before the s**t starts to fly). That's not an unrealistic goal to want to achieve either.
No one's asking for the world. We're asking for baby steps. Not in the least bit unrealistic. There needs to be a handclapping icon. Green for this, because it's spot on. Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Now to be honest, a lot of new people make mistakes because they don't read the rules. Especially some pretty obvious ones. This is true, and I'm guilty of it. But not only is it a small percentage, the crap they get in the comments from some people when they do this is disgusting. Instead of helpful comments, it's negative diatribe and probably runs off more than not. In addition, you have long time users that fight over the rules. Even they don't understand them. Not that I blame them, but when you have people who have used the program for years don't can't even agree on what the rules says, there's an obvious issue. Contrary to what Woola says, this is far from unrealistic. There is no doubt, no doubt at all, that Ken and Gerri can get volunteers to pick up some slack, be it approving profiles or moderating. Every single forum I've ever been a member of has had a volunteer moderator who was also a member of that said board. If you have people volunteering to build your database, I'm quite sure some are more than willing to volunteer in other aspects to make the experience better for both long-time users and new users, as well. And Woola, you really should stop making this an "us vs. them" mentality, because it's not. Look at the posts. Who's against communication and rule updates? Unless you can start naming people off, you are way off base. Every post I see, with the exception of yours has been either "Please communicate with us" or "man, we've been down that road. We want it, too, but we've done it already. Good luck." Stop trying to drive a wedge between people that isn't there. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. | | | | Last edited: by Alien Redrum |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Alien:.
There is not a single person on this board that i would trust to moderate, NOT ONE. You mention some other things that I am not comfortable discussing, but suffice it to say that you have said nothing unique or original. In fact there is nothing in this particular thread that is new or unique, it has been said by all of us at one time or other. So when I see people come and start these kinds of threads I just have to sit back and smile, ah to be young and naieve again There are many volunteers Ken could use if he wanted to, the key there is IF he wanted to.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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