Well, of course you could have multiple Profiles based on locality in Region 1. With US (English), Canada(English) and Canada(Quebec) (French). There is nothing that prevents me from owning all three variants. From a fork in the read viewpoint, assuming the opening menu as has been described, I would say that you would likewise have multiple Profile possibilities based on the locality, now this could be somewhat complicated by the multi-language capabilities of the user. I thnk were it me, I would expect to see multiple profiles dependent on language, however for MYSELF locally, I would likely adjust my local profile to reflect those languages, I only want one profile since I only own the one film with the fork, but some users might want TWO Profiles one for each language. That would be a purely personal decision, that does not impact the Online at all.

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They're all available from the DVD menu, without a player configuration change, so they should all be included.

I'm 2 for 2 in this thread...maybe I should quit while I'm ahead. 

Thanks for the quick reply Ken. 

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Are these languages not listed on the cover?  If they're on the cover, and physically on the disc, there's no reason not to include them.

So, I'd say in the specific case of tri-lingual Belgium, for discs which dynamically configure their language options depending on the configuration of the player, in cases where the languages are not listed on the cover, we can handle them on a case-by-case basis.

I'll buy that, Ken. But I think they should try and clearly explain this in their notes for the screeners.<scratching head>

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Oh I hadn't thought of those. An example that I remember was the UK release of Total Recall on Blu-ray (5055201803795). If you select English when you first put the disc in you get English audio. If you select one of the other countries you'll get other options. No changing of the player settings is required, it's purely an option you get when first loading the disc & it is possible to get back to it again but it's before the disc menu.

Edit: Just to add, I've been adding ALL languages on the disc to the audio section.

Question...do you get this option each time you put the disc in or is it only the first time?  Now that I am thinking about it, I don't know that the answer would make a difference as this is an obvious menu option.  That being the case, I am inclined to agree with you and say they should all be entered.

You get those menues everytime you put the disk in.

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Indeed and it's annoying! Especially so with the example I gave where you have quite a few company logos that you're forced to sit through before getting to the menu. I almost gave up when profiling it 

Taro:

I feel the need to address your unfounded accusations in trying to make me out to be the bad guy. You discovered a problem, and you tried to act on it inappropriately. When you aksed me I explained how it didn't fit the rules and so forth. I, further, did not just say keep it local, i took the time to examine your problem and try to come up with anaswer that fits TODAY, one which ken happens to agree with, but that is not really relevant. But the answer that I provided did not FIT what YOU wanted to do.  So your response is to block PMs casrt aspersions upon me locally, refuse to understand what i am saying and that I, in fact see and understand your issue, and created a Today solution and further came up with an idea for a Program Mod down the road for Ken, one which would please both of us. Yet YOU persist that you want it your way and continue casting aspersions, and finally I had to explain that the only way to do it YOUR way is locally TODAY. I am the bad guy?...how exactly is that true? Who has contributed to an uncivil discussiions, when you have repeatedly cast many aspersion upon me which go unmoderated, just because you have not been mioderated does not mean you are an angel, so don't pretend that you are. it is very hard to take someone's arguments seriously when they choose to behave in such a manner, this does not apply to just you, taro, but to all. I view your attempts to paint me as bad, as slanderous and not to be taken beyond a grain of salt.

I see your problem and i try to find answers, it may not be the answer that YOU would like it to be, it may not be the answer that I would like it to be, but it is the best I can do try and help you get what you want in some form. And for that attempt to help you and your utter contempt of my attempt to help and your utter and compete failure to understand. No I am not the bad person here, look to yourself.

I am not attacking youi in any way, but I am tired of being derided by people whose focus is so narrow that they can't or won't see ANYTHING beyond their own PERSONAL preferences.

You made no attempt to meet halfway, your sole focus was on trying to apply the rules which had not even considered such a thing as a hidden audio track. You had on a single objective for your solution and you refused to see that there was a bigger picture. I won't describe my view of your behavior in this matter or in some others as it would no doubt be considered an attack, which it would not be, the closest i can come is that your behavior limits my ability to take you seriously. Which makes me sad because that neds not in discussion but in talking at each other...which is completely non-productive.

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Are these languages not listed on the cover?  If they're on the cover, and physically on the disc, there's no reason not to include them.

So, I'd say in the specific case of tri-lingual Belgium, for discs which dynamically configure their language options depending on the configuration of the player, in cases where the languages are not listed on the cover, we can handle them on a case-by-case basis.

Ah yes, silly me. It's a dual language cover so if it's OK to use that as the source, then indeed all languages can be included. Problem solved.


Skip, one last remark on the unfortunate Matrix issue.
- You think it's best to include the tracks in the Easter Eggs
- I think it's best to include the tracks themselves
After discussing the matter, I tried to meet you half-way and[b] proposed then to add the tracks and also add notes in the Easter Eggs explaining how to access those tracks, so confused users can at least find the necessary info. This was my attempt to reconcile both mine and your views[/b]. Unfortunately, you prerceived that as me trying to push my views on others (whereas it is actually you who refuse to move even an inch).
Having exhausted virtually all possible ways of compromising and trying to meet you half-way in this discussion and other discussion and after having you question my intelligence on more than one occasion, I'll now also forum block, because I think our discussions will never result in any concensus. I tried to meet you half-way on several occasions but if you refuse to budge even an inch, there's really nothing left to say between us.

Taro:

The problem with this proposal is that there is no cross between the Audio and the Easter egg, if there was this would be a workable solution. But there is not, the user would have to look and see if there might be a reason the "hidden" audio is listed and where to find that reason. this makes it unworkable at this time. We would still have data listed in the Profile which some users are going to say I don't see a Japanese track, what kind of program is this and where does this come from. IF there was a cross-reference, then OK. All I can say is that in the here and now, keep the Audio Checkbox local and let's hope for a more workable solution in the future from Ken.

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