A second thought.  If the votes are running 50+:1 against the NO vote, and the YES votes are identified in the notes as following the rules as written, wouldn't the screeners be likely to ignore the NO votes.  I would expect the screeners to give less credence to a NO vote that is based on personal interpretation (whim) than a NO vote that indicates a violation of the Rules.  Especially if the NO voter continues to vote this way based on his interpretation and not on the Rules.

I hope I'm not displaying too much faith in the screeners' ability to discern what follows the Rules and what is strictly personal interpretation.  I don't think I am.

Quoting skipnet50:

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Ken:

Based on my dealings with this bunch. They think every Rule can be parsed to death and twisted to meet their, or they claim nearly everything to to be unclear (sometimes claiming language barrier problems). They also remind me of the customers I used to deal with, they don't want THE answer, they want THEIR answer and will get mad at you if you don't give them THEIR answer. And then to top it off, for a variety of reasons every few months we have to cover the same territory all over again. I will join you in confusion, even though I understand why and what it is all about, I probably dare not get on my soap box.

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You entire post is nothing but inflammatory and you wonder why you get the negative votes you talk about. It's not a vendetta, it's simply the way you express yourself. You have every right to express yourself how ever you wish but you have to realize that now there are consequences if you do it in a way the community feels is inappropriate.

When you say things like "this bunch" you lump everyone together. You make it sound like everyone is all together in a quest to destroy the database. Most people here want only the best and do their best to achieve it. I agree some do not fully understand the concept on the master online DB but most of those people do not visit the forums. Those who post here frequently understand the concept quite well I believe.

Your statement of "(sometimes claiming language barrier problems)" is something that will no doubt upset people. It reads as you don't believe someone if they say it is a language issue and they are using that as a convenient excuse to mess things up. Please note I say it reads that way. You may not have meant that, only you know, but it sure comes across bad.

The fact is in this case it is you who is the odd man out. "This bunch" is all on the same page. You don't like the answer so you want your answer. How come when you do it you are simply expressing your opinion but when someone else does it they are doing it with malice? Again it is that position that continuously earns you a bad reputation.

You also claim you "know what it is all about". You blast others if they say something like this about you saying we can't know what you are thinking yet you continuously profess to know what an entire community is thinking. It makes absolutely no sense Skip. It's a shame you don't see it. A real shame because it really is there.


The fact is this community is world wide. We will never all agree on everything. We are simply too diverse. And I am sure language barriers and translations are a factor as well. That doesn't mean the other guy is always wrong, and even if he (or she) is it doesn't mean they were wrong on purpose simply to destroy this program. Diversity is a good thing. It makes you think.



It is a new year, why not take a step back and give the community a chance to prove we are not some evil entity out to destroy Invelos. We are people who enjoy the hobby, just like you, and want to make the program better for everyone else as best as we know how, just like you.

Whaddaya say?

Quoting skipnet50:

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Ken:

Based on my dealings with this bunch. They think every Rule can be parsed to death and twisted to meet their, or they claim nearly everything to to be unclear (sometimes claiming language barrier problems). They also remind me of the customers I used to deal with, they don't want THE answer, they want THEIR answer and will get mad at you if you don't give them THEIR answer. And then to top it off, for a variety of reasons every few months we have to cover the same territory all over again. I will join you in confusion, even though I understand why and what it is all about, I probably dare not get on my soap box.

Skip

Ken settled this issue back in August.  He gave us THE answer.  It wasn't YOUR answer, so here we are having the same fight all over again.  Next time you want to insult the entire forum, take a good look in the mirror.  Everything you said above, at least in this case, applies to you and not 'this bunch'.  As the poll illustrates, 'this bunch' understood, and accepted, Ken's decision in this case.

Quoting hal9g:

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Well said, Rick. 

I agree, it was damn beautiful!

I refuse to go into it, Doc. Rick graphically demonstrated why with HIS inflammatory post. Which was aimed at ME, whilst the post which he called inflammatory was aimed at no ONE.

BTW way gentlemen, thank you for PROVING my point. Rick is allowed to make direct and PERSONAL attack on another user. While a general rant draws negatives. Very entertaining and exactly what I expected, thank you again.

Why, Rick not step back and end your personal vendetta, which has been ongoing for a couple of years now. FYI, you aren't alone. I never wondered why I get negative votes either, I KNOW why and what the agenda is, sir. You have made that very clear.

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Quoting skipnet50:

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OOO now you are a mind reader, Unicus? And which group of users might that be.

Are you serious?  First, I am just as much a mind reader as you are.  Let me quote you from your post above: "I never wondered why I get negative votes either, I KNOW why and what the agenda is".  If you can know the why's and what's of everybody who has given you a negative vote, I can know who this group of users is.  Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.

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You really do need to stop trying to read more than is there.

I am a parser...or so you are fond of saying...as such, I can not read more than is there.  'This Bunch' is a reference to users in this forum.  So are the words 'they' and 'their'.  Your post did nothing but attack them.  For me to believe otherwise, I would have to have my brain surgically removed.

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What is next are you going to try and tell me that Rick did not post a personal attack.

Personal?  Well, since he mentioned you by name, I would have to say that it was personal.  An attack?  Not hardly.  Your mileage, of course, will vary.

Paul:

And i will tell you like I have some many others. You don't have clean hands,and Rick certainly doesn't. Before you attempt to judge me or any other user, make sure you aren't living in a glass house. 

Your attacks fall on deaf ears, and attacks is exactly how i see them. People like you are making it more and more difficult for me to enjoy my collection and my passion. I am asking as politely as I can...get off my back....all of you.

How many times in the last several years have i called for people to lay down their arms, I have evn done so unilaterally numerous times, only to be fired upon. Some users, who shall be nameless have chosen not to be able to communicate, which in my book is childish behavior, I have two blocks set and that is only because both those people are totally incapable of anything other than insulting remarks.

Paul you refer to negative votes standing, i am not sure how you are aware of such. But sauffice it to say i have gotten negative votes for MANY innocuous comments, to the point that it is clear that there is a vendetta and i am relatively certain of the source(s). But that is not ofr here.

Do you think I enjoy this? If you do then you really need Nurse Ratched to pay you a visit. But i will not put up with personal assaults and/or piling on. I have made 4 count them negative votes in the last several weeks and I certainly hope that I ca avoid making them, unlike some here, I have NOTHING against anyone here. WE may disagree, even passionately, so what. But the personal attacks and piling on will stop...one way or another and you will not shut me up!

Now PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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