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Says the man who tried to slip IMDB data through a little while ago.

Problem is that sometimes even IMDB gets it right, and then we can't see the difference. Or should we now start spiking our data?

I'm not sure I've ever seen IMDb get both the cast names and rolenames correct (per the actual film credits) for any movie! 

Confirmed: The very first time I was perplex/curious about the quality of  imdb data was when I lately checked cast and crew of a special german tv series. In some episodes the crew was completely wrong and the cast partially wrong. Maybe a kind of "data-watermark"?? 

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This is not a hard concept to undferstand.

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OK, I think I know what you were trying to say, but I can't quite understand you.

Note to Skip, use FireFox, it will underline in red your typing errors so that we can better understand you.

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Best part is he does use Firefox! (or at least used to  )

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Note to Skip, use FireFox, it will underline in red your typing errors so that we can better understand you.

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That won't work as I don't think Skip can see red ...j/k

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Olé!!!

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Says the man who tried to slip IMDB data through a little while ago.

Problem is that sometimes even IMDB gets it right, and then we can't see the difference. Or should we now start spiking our data?

When someone tries to add uncredited cast and it matches IMDB and there are no notes for the source of the data then I think it's a safe bet that it's come from IMDB and nowhere else.

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With all due respect, then you are blind try reading the introduction to the Rules and you will find the following.

"Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover."

This is not hard to comprehend.

Also in the Rules realtive to Cast and Cree, you will find instrcutions on how to enter data and where to take it from

"take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited."

There is a similar phrase in the crew Section

This is also NOT hard to comprehend.

Simon, all you have to do is read the Rules and Follow them, they are not intended to be hard to comprehend, they are meant to be as simple as possible and staight forward.     

If you wish to use IMDb, you are FREE to do so but do NOT contribute said data, it is for your local use ONLY. Is that to hard.

Give it up, dude. You can rationalize it all you want, but the fact is we have Rules here, you know you can track 10,000 titles for FREE at IMDb, perhaps if you think that they are so wonderfully accurate and useful you should make use of that option. They also don't require very much from their users to Contribute.

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If I might add a small spin on this... We see a performer who is not credited on the film. We recognize the performer. We note a time stamp; we pull a screen cap. IMDb lists the performer as an uncredited performer, as does AMG & at least one other third party database. We know this performer is who we think he/she is.

I think adding the performer to the cast list, at the end, alphabetical among the uncredited performers, citing the time stamp (or) the screen cap, that this provides reasonable documentation that the uncredited performer is, in fact, in the film.

I cite IMDb, AMG, not as a source to be listed when submitting the data, but as a personal reinforcement that the performer you think is in the film, is in the film. That it is not David Doyle, but Tom Beasley, for example. (Does anyone remember why Doyle's character was named Beasley?)

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Indeed and deliberately so. You were the one that said "I cannot find the rule about not using "third party databases" in the RULES." and I poiunted you to it on the very FIRST page of the Rules. There are many databases out there besides IMDb., some of them even go so far as to license use of IMDb data. Instead of trying to nail down and list every possible, which of course lead to some user finding a new one saying "but it is not in the list". We chose the blanket NO third party database, which covers ALL of them. That does not mean they cannot be used as reference source, but it DOES mean their data is theirs and DON'T copy it. That said I would not use ANY third party database as my sole reference source, in most instances at least and it is hard to make blanket statements in this realm. But I have seen actor's websites that will give you a link to somewhere to get their filmography and sometimes that somewhere is IMDb, well the actor signed off on it...so in that case I would so note it.

Why need time stamps and screen caps because unlike IMDb we have a RECORD of the activity on a title and documentation is required. I might recognize a photo of Mr. Hardy but I don't recognize the name. So your statement in that area is presumptious, should I say the same thing about Kathleen Freeman, I havementioned here several times in the last couple of years, most users seem to not recognize the name, but a few have looked up her photo and said yeah, I know who she is now. You need to understand that you are dealing with a vast Community of users from all over the world, all from varying points in time and with varying tastes ( or lack thereof  ) in film. . Why would you expect any user to simply accept your word on something, that is what IMDb seems to do and they have a train wreck for a database. There is no requirement for you to Contribute to the database, you can choose to do your own thing and no one will care. But if you wish to be an active participant in the construction of what will eventually be the world's most accurate entertainment database COMPLETE with documentation to back it up then simply follow the Rules. If you can't figure out how something should be handled ar as you noted about (uncredited) simply ask the question and someone will assist you.

I don't care about DETAILED websites, we have ONE single source for data and that is the FILM itself PERIOD. WE have one small exception to this particular rule and it is designed for specific purposes as the Rules spell out.

"If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role."

I think at the root of the problem  here is that you do not understand the function of the Online database versus your local.

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