No, all people have to do , Enry is pay attention to the credits. Everybody wants to interpret data instead of just typing it, likely the Screen Credit is DEVITO, which would make your choice three the correct one, if using Common name. is it precisely this interpretation game and the IMDb data which is throwing everything out of whack and why i don't need or use the Alias system for the most part. Its simply a mess.

I will say what I have said many times before. I have seldom, if ever, had any problem entering ANY piece of data for Contribution. I still don't understand all the fuss and the insistence on arguing and niggling things. It realyl is very EASY to do.

Skip

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Yet, for the same movie, The Virgin Suicides, and most likely same credits for poor ol' Danny, we have three ways of contributing them to the main database and three ways of storing his last name in the database. Isn't that a tad  confusing and unnecessary complication?

You can find, for instance,


Danny Devito as Dr. Horniker
UPC: 8-711983-452046
Locality: Belgium

and

Danny DeVito as Dr. Horniker
UPC: 8-711983-452046
Locality: Netherlands

and

Danny DeVito [Danny Devito] as Dr. Horniker
UPC: 5-706102-353963
Locality: Denmark

There you go. Some people keep ignoring the problem, but this is the everyday reality: different people handle these credits different ways, and the situation won't improve by itself. As for me personally, I have to say that as long as the rules tell me to enter credits as seen on the screen EXACTLY, I feel compelled to record the difference between a DANNY DeVITO credit and a DANNY DEVITO one. IMHO, the word "exactly" in the rules doesn't exactly allow me to decide on my own that I'm going to ignore this particular difference, and those that do tend to forget how they'd treat similar credits when they were complete unknowns, or even role names. Per the rules, I enter what I see, with no additional interpretation or outside documentation applied to it. I do enter it into the appropriate field, of course, which, in this case, is the "credited as" field.

These capitalization issues are not, as some users keep thinking, about linking, but simply about matching the on-screen credit. Yes, these three different entries DO link together - that isn't the issue. Having different users using three different methods of entry is the issue. For contribution purposes, we need to get everyone on the same page. But history has shown that we won't reach an agreement on that by ourselves - so as of yet everyone basically does as he pleases...

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Quoting EnryWiki:

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Yet, for the same movie, The Virgin Suicides, and most likely same credits for poor ol' Danny, we have three ways of contributing them to the main database and three ways of storing his last name in the database. Isn't that a tad  confusing and unnecessary complication?

You can find, for instance,


Danny Devito as Dr. Horniker
UPC: 8-711983-452046
Locality: Belgium

and

Danny DeVito as Dr. Horniker
UPC: 8-711983-452046
Locality: Netherlands

and

Danny DeVito [Danny Devito] as Dr. Horniker
UPC: 5-706102-353963
Locality: Denmark

There you go. Some people keep ignoring the problem, but this is the everyday reality: different people handle these credits different ways, and the situation won't improve by itself. As for me personally, I have to say that as long as the rules tell me to enter credits as seen on the screen EXACTLY, I feel compelled to record the difference between a DANNY DeVITO credit and a DANNY DEVITO one. IMHO, the word "exactly" in the rules doesn't exactly allow me to decide on my own that I'm going to ignore this particular difference, and those that do tend to forget how they'd treat similar credits when they were complete unknowns, or even role names. Per the rules, I enter what I see, with no additional interpretation or outside documentation applied to it. I do enter it into the appropriate field, of course, which, in this case, is the "credited as" field.

These capitalization issues are not, as some users keep thinking, about linking, but simply about matching the on-screen credit. Yes, these three different entries DO link together - that isn't the issue. Having different users using three different methods of entry is the issue. For contribution purposes, we need to get everyone on the same page. But history has shown that we won't reach an agreement on that by ourselves - so as of yet everyone basically does as he pleases...

Except that we DO NOT MATCH THE CAPITALIZATION OF THE NAMES IN THE CREDITS FOR ANY NAMES unless they are in mixed case.  IF THEY ARE IN ALL CAPS, WE DON"T MATCH THEM.

Therefore, your argument that we need to match a single capitalized or lowercase letter within the name is just ridiculous!

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There you go. Some people keep ignoring the problem, but this is the everyday reality: different people handle these credits different ways, and the situation won't improve by itself. As for me personally, I have to say that as long as the rules tell me to enter credits as seen on the screen EXACTLY, I feel compelled to record the difference between a DANNY DeVITO credit and a DANNY DEVITO one. IMHO, the word "exactly" in the rules doesn't exactly allow me to decide on my own that I'm going to ignore this particular difference, and those that do tend to forget how they'd treat similar credits when they were complete unknowns, or even role names. Per the rules, I enter what I see, with no additional interpretation or outside documentation applied to it. I do enter it into the appropriate field, of course, which, in this case, is the "credited as" field.

These capitalization issues are not, as some users keep thinking, about linking, but simply about matching the on-screen credit. Yes, these three different entries DO link together - that isn't the issue. Having different users using three different methods of entry is the issue. For contribution purposes, we need to get everyone on the same page. But history has shown that we won't reach an agreement on that by ourselves - so as of yet everyone basically does as he pleases...

Except that we DO NOT MATCH THE CAPITALIZATION OF THE NAMES IN THE CREDITS FOR ANY NAMES unless they are in mixed case.  IF THEY ARE IN ALL CAPS, WE DON"T MATCH THEM.

Therefore, your argument that we need to match a single capitalized or lowercase letter within the name is just ridiculous!

And here is a good example of the kinds of discussions that come from different capitalizations, EVEN IF they are linked. 

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Agreed! "List names exactly as they are in the credits" (bold from the rules, not added by me) doesn't leave room for personal interpretation of such credits. "DeVITO" becomes "DeVito", DEVITO becomes "Devito"

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And you see no inconsistency in this statement of yours.

First you quote the Rules that say ""List names exactly as they are in the credits" and then you follow it with two examples where we DO NOT enter "names exactly as they are in the credits".

You want to pick and choose which letters to convert and which ones not to!

On what do you base your decision not to make the "V" lower case in the "DeVITO" example? How is it any different than the "I" or the "T"?

So, Tim, why haven't you responded to the above?

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On what do you base your decision not to make the "V" lower case in the "DeVITO" example? How is it any different than the "I" or the "T"?

That is the best you can do to further this debate? You're now honestly questioning entering "DeVITO" as "DeVito"? I'm sorry: you'll have to find someone else to play with - I'm not going to get dragged down to this level.

I'll repeat what I said earlier: that I would really like to hear from Ken on this. I'd like him to tell us which one, out of the three examples from the database that EnryWiki showed us, is the correct way to enter an on-screen DANNY DEVITO credit - keeping in mind that we don't need a solution for just a few well-known names, but something that works accross the board. And again: I'm happy to go either way. Without further clarification, though, I agree with Skip, and will continue to use option #3, which I honestly feel is what the rules tell us to do.

Hal:

You know this, I can't imagine what positive you think you are bringing here. You are a terrific niggler but i'll be damned if i understand why. I could guess, but i don't do that.

Skip

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Hal:

You know this, I can't imagine what positive you think you are bringing here. You are a terrific niggler but i'll be damned if i understand why. I could guess, but i don't do that.

Skip

It's quite simple.

There is absolutely no need to gum up the database with unnecessary "Credited As" entries.

"Danny DeVito" = "Danny Devito" as far as DVDP is concerned.  There is no useful purpose for entering "Danny DeVito [Danny Devito]".