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| Registered: August 3, 2007 |  Posts: 36 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Your English is better then mine as is your playing with words 
The point was not the link to the cases but to the forum, If you had gone through the rules, you had come a across the forum. I have been threw the forum. I'm just pointing out that nothing in the rules really indicates it is full of pertinent data about contributing and although I had checked the Case Type thread, it never occurred to me it might be useful/interesting to check out the rest of the forum.... and my English is not too bad. Now imagine you're useless in English. Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Back to the search problem: Google Advanced Search on Invelos website <- weblink could be helpfull for your (re)search. Thanks for the tip, I'll bookmark that one  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting AESP_pres:
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Surfeur I understand your point well, but seriously it's easy to write the text in french and using Google or Bablefish or any other website like them to translate the text in english.
Yes, and it is easy to understand contribution rules in french through a babelfish translation...  Again, it is an American program. Were I to purchase a French program, I would expect everything to be in french. Why are you expecting something different?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote:
And if that author does not clearly state as you are submitting your profile updates that the notes must be in English, users might get confused! I am sorry, but it is an American program with an english website, forum and rules. It seems quite obvious, to me at least, that the notes should be in english as well. As I just said, if it were a French progarm with a french website, forum and rules, I would expect that my notes should be in french. Is there something, I am missing, that makes it more difficult than that?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 27, 2007 | | Posts: 175 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
This is where the fun part starts., That title not only has no info per say, even the running time is 0 .
So as Invelso Profiler is user built this task will be set on your shoulders Rooster for fixing and submitting.
OK, flame wars aside, I have fixed my "V for Vendetta" entry by simply flipping it over to the Canada locale instead of the Canada (Quebec) locale. That one downloaded with all of the appropriate data. Now, I can go back and add data to the "Canada (Quebec)" entry if you like, however I don't own that particular DVD so I can never be sure I will have all the correct information. Since my UPC is identical, I think it is a pretty safe assumption that the cast + crew won't change, but I can't be 100% certain on the extras. So what is the game plan in these situations? I don't want to presume to know what is on that DVD since I don't actually own it, nor do I particularly want to leave a profile in the DB with very little info in it. Here is the summary : - I own the V for Vendetta Canada locale DVD, and have used that record from DVDP. It is complete. - The identical UPC "Canada (Quebec)" locale DVD has very little information, but I don't own it. I have no problem filling in the Canada (Quebec) profile, but just wondered what the procedure was since I can't do any "credit verification" or anything like that. Thanks, DD. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | But you don't have to 'fill in' any information..,, Just load up the Canadian local to your own data, check that all images and upc/data is there already approved and the only change you'll make is to change the locality to Quebec and submit.. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Again, it is an American program. Were I to purchase a French program, I would expect everything to be in french. Why are you expecting something different? But you know it's an American program, and you know there are only two people in Invelos. The average user won't have this information, especially those who don't speak native english. They may know enough to download and install the program, but a lot of that can be guesswork - I've managed to buy stuff from Japan with the same method! And you have to remember the program comes with translation files, it's not an extreme notion for the average user to believe that because the program comes in all these languages, then Invelos actually understands these languages! The average user doesn't know that these translations have been done by other people. All it takes is a simple comment somewhere - even on the contribution page itself - saying that the notes must be in english. That's not too much to ask is it? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
All it takes is a simple comment somewhere - even on the contribution page itself - saying that the notes must be in english. That's not too much to ask is it? No, and I never said it was, but this notion that it shouldn't be obvious...to me at least...just doesn't wash. But that's just me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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All it takes is a simple comment somewhere - even on the contribution page itself - saying that the notes must be in english. That's not too much to ask is it?
No, and I never said it was, but this notion that it shouldn't be obvious...to me at least...just doesn't wash.
But that's just me. But we are not talking about you! We are talking about non-English speaking users. So tell me, where does PowerDVD come from? How about Nero? The web knows not where it is, nor do we! We should help other users to use the program and add to the database. This will help Ken to sell more copies of DVDProfiler and keep him going! If he can't make money out of this, he will go away! pdf | | | Paul Francis
San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hmmm...how will including a note on the Contribution Page or in the Rules stating that Contribution Notes must be in English help Non-English speaking users? If they can't read or understand English, how is this note, in English, going to help? | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: May 27, 2007 | | Posts: 175 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
But you don't have to 'fill in' any information..,, Just load up the Canadian local to your own data, check that all images and upc/data is there already approved and the only change you'll make is to change the locality to Quebec and submit.. Yeah, like I said, all I did was change my locality for this DVD to Canada, and it pulled down the full profile. Worked like a charm. The question is, do you want me to complete the "Canada (Quebec)" profile as well ? I can easily modify that profile and change it's locality, but then a profile for "Canada (Quebec)" will disappear. Or I can copy/paste from my correct "Canada" DVD so that there are two identical profiles up on DVDP with the only difference being one has "Canada" as the locality and the other has "Canada (Quebec)". That seems to me the smartest approach, with the one caveat being that I don't own the "Canada (Quebec)" DVD so I can never be sure it is absolutely identical to my "Canada" DVD. I assume it is, in fact what I assume is that two different people upped those profiles, one filled in all the info, the other did not. But one chose "Canada (Quebec)" and the other chose "Canada". I am willing to bet they are absolutely identical. For instance, my DVD has all the French overview on the back, as well as the French title in smaller letters on the front (under the English one). Either way, it's the same to me. But that "Canada (Quebec)" profile shouldn't be left the way it is since it is mostly incomplete. Thanks, DD. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote:
But we are not talking about you!
We are talking about non-English speaking users. I know, which is why I included a French website as an example in my earlier post. I have purchased programs from non-english websites. I knew, just by looking, that they were not in my native language. Upon going to these sites, it seemed quite obvious to me, that any communication I had with them would be in their language. To me, it seems a tad presumptuous to believe it would be anything else. Quote:
So tell me, where does PowerDVD come from? It comes from CyberLink who's headquarters are in Taipei. They also have operations in North America, Europe and the Asia Pacific region including Japan. Quote:
How about Nero? They are headquartered in Karlsbad, Germany and maintain regional offices in: Karlsbad, Germany; Glendale, Calif., USA and Yokohama, Japan. Quote:
The web knows not where it is, nor do we! You don't, but I do and so does the web. Quote:
We should help other users to use the program and add to the database. This will help Ken to sell more copies of DVDProfiler and keep him going! If he can't make money out of this, he will go away! Did I ever say we shouldn't help other users to use the program and add to the database? Don't think I did. What I said was, to me, it is obvious that you should use english for contribution notes. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | ..edit | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rooster6975: Quote:
Quoting widescreenforever:
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But you don't have to 'fill in' any information..,, Just load up the Canadian local to your own data, check that all images and upc/data is there already approved and the only change you'll make is to change the locality to Quebec and submit..
Yeah, like I said, all I did was change my locality for this DVD to Canada, and it pulled down the full profile. Worked like a charm.
The question is, do you want me to complete the "Canada (Quebec)" profile as well ? I can easily modify that profile and change it's locality, but then a profile for "Canada (Quebec)" will disappear. Or I can copy/paste from my correct "Canada" DVD so that there are two identical profiles up on DVDP with the only difference being one has "Canada" as the locality and the other has "Canada (Quebec)". That seems to me the smartest approach, with the one caveat being that I don't own the "Canada (Quebec)" DVD so I can never be sure it is absolutely identical to my "Canada" DVD. I assume it is, in fact what I assume is that two different people upped those profiles, one filled in all the info, the other did not. But one chose "Canada (Quebec)" and the other chose "Canada". I am willing to bet they are absolutely identical. For instance, my DVD has all the French overview on the back, as well as the French title in smaller letters on the front (under the English one).
Either way, it's the same to me. But that "Canada (Quebec)" profile shouldn't be left the way it is since it is mostly incomplete.
Thanks,
DD. With as much French Text on the front cover that Version Is French Quebec ., MOst Canadian releases will have dual language on the Rear cover but all English on the Front Cover . IF the Canadian version or location is EXACTLY the same for both then there is either no french Quebec version, or there is two., same UPC but all differant localitys. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: May 27, 2007 | | Posts: 175 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quote:
With as much French Text on the front cover that Version Is French Quebec ., MOst Canadian releases will have dual language on the Rear cover but all English on the Front Cover . IF the Canadian version or location is EXACTLY the same for both then there is either no french Quebec version, or there is two., same UPC but all differant localitys. I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work, there, Lou. I own loads of Canadian DVDs, and the vast majority have both languages on the front. Just looking at randomly selected DVDs purchased in Canada, War (Guerre), AVP Requiem (Aliens vs Predateur Requiem), The Return (Le Retour), Sin City (Une Histoire de Sin City), etc. etc. (all the French text in parenthesis is also on the cover). I do own a few purchased in Montreal, such as L'Espion Qui M'Aimait and nowhere on the front cover is "The Spy Who Loved Me" to be found. So my conclusion is that the V for Vendetta listed as "Canada (Quebec)" is identical to the one I purchased, and thus is a duplicate entry in DVDP. It should be deleted in favour of the one with the locality "Canada" which has all the info. If there was one released for the locality "Canada (Quebec)" it would certainly have "V pour Vendetta" as the only title, or barring that, at least have it as the larger of the two titles with "V for Vendetta" much smaller and likely in parenthesis. Conclusion : It's a dupe and needs to be deleted. DD. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
What I said was, to me, it is obvious that you should use english for contribution notes. So it is obvious that contributions are forbidden to non english speaking users, and that works fine. In the past, first contributions where accepted without notes, and there were plenty. Now, there are many DVDs that are not in the database. When a potential new user, testing the program, realizes that he has to complete himself each profile, he might be less interested to buy it. What I say is for the international success of this program. I really think that members of the C.R.S don't help Ken to sell dvdprofiler, except if Ken thinks that only American money is interesting for him... | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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