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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantdav4is
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Are you aware of the DVDP Wiki and if so when did you become aware of it?

Just now. Why do you ask?
-R.
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Are you aware of the DVDP Wiki and if so when did you become aware of it?

Just now. Why do you ask?

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I like the concept, do not care for the "centered" design, though. I find it hard to read. Headings, get lost.

I'm not sure what you mean by "centered design"?
re headings: I can make them slightly larger. Would that help?
x: Much better, thanks!
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Can you make the script parse topics to filter out those that are not actually a FR?
- Support issues.
- Newbie questions.
- Website discussions.
- Other crap!

Difficult! Suggestions?
x: Ehum, not at the moment... maybe if you do get around to find a solution to categories, something will pop-up
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Can you create somekind of categories from the topics?
E.g.
- DVD Profiler
- - [every window, function in DVDP]
- My Profiler
- Master Database

This might be do-able. I'll look into it.
x: Awesome! If you need help in this area (i.e. establish sub categories), give us a holler.

I'm also going to split out the CSS specifications as a separate file.
That will make formatting revisions (such as the title, mentioned above), easier.
x: Excellent! I find, splitting design and data easier to handle. I also use xhtml-strict.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "centered design"?

I'm not xyrano, but I assume he means that the text is centered inside each cell (as well as the paragraphs above the main table) instead of left aligned.

And I agree with him, that makes it harder to read.

KM


Hmm... The only text that is centered is the lines in green, reading "The original forum topics..." and the small ine below that tells the topic count and date. The text above that has very wide margins, but is left aligned within those margins. Everything else is also left aligned, within their table columns.

Perhaps you have a browser problem? What browser/level are you using?

The problem at hand was me not liking that the text was centered, which you improved already 
I can test your page in IE6 & 7.
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Oh man - this really seems to be much ado about nothing! 

Either try to make it operable in the INVELOS FORUMS or give it a rest already.....   

Why is it so important that it be in an INVELOS forum?
x: At the moment it is not important.
It certainly couldn't be in its present form -- i.e. as an HTML file, with all the formatting.
x: No, it can not. What you said and that the language Ken is using is unknown but he is using .NET framework (VBScript, JScript, C# ...).
And, as I have said, the environment is just too rowdy for my taste.

What is wrong with it where it is?
x: Nothing.
Yes, a link from, say, the heading of the FR forum, would be a plus but, given that, why must it be hosted on INVELOS?
x: I would finish the development first, then try to talk to Ken and see if he is interested in doing something with it on-site. If he is not, I would post a topic in the FR forum and ask Ken to pin it.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantdav4is
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Can you create somekind of categories from the topics?
E.g.
- DVD Profiler
- - [every window, function in DVDP]
- My Profiler
- Master Database


If someone can supply a list of keywords, I can categorize the topics based on finding a keyword in the first message -- not necessarily in the first 50 words!

Problem: What to do about first messages that mention several keywords?
Problem: What about topics that mention no keyword?
Problem: What of misspelled keywords (in the topics, that is! ;O)

Categories: how best to present them?

  • Just by noting the keywords in a new table cell in the current presentation. (keywords could be formatted as "k:keyword" to allow quick location using the browser Find.)

  • Corralling the like topics in separate segments, still all in one file. (Topics mentioning several keywords could be duplicated in each corral -- at a cost in file size!)

  • Corralling the like topics in separate files.

  • Something else?


  • I'm against making the list occupy several files. The advantages of a single file that would be lost are just too great. It may come to this, though, if the file gets too big.
    -R.
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantdav4is
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    re topic presentation by categories

    I have an idea that might work, but I must puzzle out the details.
    The key concept is to select one or more categories and have only those topics be displayed. If I can do it without JavaScript, that would be a big plus! I detest JavaScript!
    -R.
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    DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorlyonsden5
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    Question to Dav4is

    Are you aware of the DVDP Wiki and if so when did you become aware of it?

    Just now. Why do you ask?


    Just to kind of prove the point that something needs to be hosted here in order for it to be found by others. Otherwise you are limiting your project to those of us who are always here, and we already know what all the feature requests are... cause we're always here.

    The Wiki has been around since the IVS days yet many are not even aware it exists. I was just curious if you were one of those who was not aware of it. And my suspicion was correct.

    As many have pointed out if something isn't readily available on this site people will not find it. The sad part about you not knowing about the wiki is it was linked in the 2nd reply to your original post in this thread.  So even when links are given to people or are readily available people will either not use them or will quickly forget about them.

    I've given you my opinion on the best way to do this. I know from my experience you will not stop people from making the same request. Those who make repeat request are not typically forum regulars and will not even be aware of your site. Ken will also not look at it as a tool for him any more than he would go back through the multiple pages of requests on his own site, and we have a hard enough time getting him to reply to something here!    Your stance that the forums are "too rowdy" to list something like this is a bit bizarre to me. No one but you (or Ken and Gerri) can edit your posts. The 1st post (or as many have done reserve the next couple as well) in the thread is that you need to worry about if you goal is truly to have a list of features all in one place. It is a proven system that works for both Ken and the community. 

    I'll leave you to your project and promise not to say I told you so. 
    DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantdav4is
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    Quoting lyonsden5:
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    Question to Dav4is

    Are you aware of the DVDP Wiki and if so when did you become aware of it?

    Just now. Why do you ask?


    Just to kind of prove the point that something needs to be hosted here in order for it to be found by others. Otherwise you are limiting your project to those of us who are always here, and we already know what all the feature requests are... cause we're always here.
    X: There are two:
  • 1. The one to which you refer: DVDProfilerWiki.org

  • 2. The Wikipedia article: here

  • X: It was to the second that I thought you referred, which I was not aware of.
    I was aware of the first, though I have not crawled through it much. And it was Michael's sig that led me there!

    The Wiki has been around since the IVS days yet many are not even aware it exists. I was just curious if you were one of those who was not aware of it. And my suspicion was correct.

    As many have pointed out if something isn't readily available on this site people will not find it. The sad part about you not knowing about the wiki is it was linked in the 2nd reply to your original post in this thread.  So even when links are given to people or are readily available people will either not use them or will quickly forget about them.

    I've given you my opinion on the best way to do this. I know from my experience you will not stop people from making the same request. Those who make repeat request are not typically forum regulars and will not even be aware of your site. Ken will also not look at it as a tool for him any more than he would go back through the multiple pages of requests on his own site, and we have a hard enough time getting him to reply to something here!    Your stance that the forums are "too rowdy" to list something like this is a bit bizarre to me. No one but you (or Ken and Gerri) can edit your posts. The 1st post (or as many have done reserve the next couple as well) in the thread is that you need to worry about if you goal is truly to have a list of features all in one place. It is a proven system that works for both Ken and the community. 

    I'll leave you to your project and promise not to say I told you so. 
    -R.
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantdav4is
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    As many have pointed out if something isn't readily available on this site people will not find it.


    Additional thoughts:

    It is not where something is hosted that makes the difference.
    It is the ease (or difficulty) of navigation to it that counts.

    An object can be hosted on INVELOS, but with no prominent link to it, it will be lost.
    Conversely, an object can be hosted elsewhere, but with a prominent INVELOS link to it, it will be easily found.

    It is not where something is hosted that makes the difference.
    -R.
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    As many have pointed out if something isn't readily available on this site people will not find it.


    Additional thoughts:

    It is not where something is hosted that makes the difference.
    It is the ease (or difficulty) of navigation to it that counts.

    An object can be hosted on INVELOS, but with no prominent link to it, it will be lost.
    Conversely, an object can be hosted elsewhere, but with a prominent INVELOS link to it, it will be easily found.

    It is not where something is hosted that makes the difference.


    Good luck with getting Ken to give you a "prominent INVELOS link" 

    Final thoughts:

    The bottom line is no matter how simple something is to use you have to be able to find it to use it. So no matter where it is if you can't find it or are not aware of it you can't navigate to it

    Experience here shows outside options don't work. I was simply trying to save you some of the aggravation and frustration many of us have experienced in the past. Personally I am the type of person who would rather learn from the mistakes and advice from others than from one of my own mistakes, especially on something with such a track record as this. I'm just too busy of a person to try to reinvent the wheel, but that's just me. 
    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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    I could be wrong here... but I believe I remember something from the past that Ken didn't like to have something hosted elsewhere... isn't that why he brought the Rules Committee forum over here?
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    Final thoughts:

    The bottom line is no matter how simple something is to use you have to be able to find it to use it. So no matter where it is if you can't find it or are not aware of it you can't navigate to it

    Experience here shows outside options don't work. I was simply trying to save you some of the aggravation and frustration many of us have experienced in the past. Personally I am the type of person who would rather learn from the mistakes and advice from others than from one of my own mistakes, especially on something with such a track record as this. I'm just too busy of a person to try to reinvent the wheel, but that's just me. 

    Fully agreed.
    But I guess some still want to find out on their own.
    Too sad, it's a nice project to get the FR-forum clearly presented.
    It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
    But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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    As many have pointed out if something isn't readily available on this site people will not find it.


    Additional thoughts:

    It is not where something is hosted that makes the difference.
    It is the ease (or difficulty) of navigation to it that counts.

    An object can be hosted on INVELOS, but with no prominent link to it, it will be lost.
    Conversely, an object can be hosted elsewhere, but with a prominent INVELOS link to it, it will be easily found.


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    It is not where something is hosted that makes the difference.


    That is your opinion, davi4is and of course it is correct.....

    But as noted we have BTDT already and it doesn't work for one thing, for another thing since you are not involved with Invelos you simply don't have the authority to abscond with copyrighted material such as copying the corporate logos and symbols. Sorry dude it just doesn't work.
    ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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    Outta here

    Billy Video
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    I could be wrong here... but I believe I remember something from the past that Ken didn't like to have something hosted elsewhere... isn't that why he brought the Rules Committee forum over here?


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    Gosh, fellas, y'all act as if my page will die of loneliness unless immediately moved to INVELOS!
    -R.
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