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Series vs Seasons and the 'Multiple Complete TV' Rule
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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According the Rules they should be handled quite simply, though there are those who don't like it but they wanted to push for Cast and crew with the Parent.

Parent(MASH: Martinis and Medicine)-Cast and Crew(For All)
        Child (MASH: Season One)-Cast and Crew for Season One Optional

Ultimately we will have a third level (GrandChildren)
                    Grandchild (MASH: Season One: Disc One)-Cast and Crew

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Those megasets are exactly what I thought the rule was referring to. Now the question is, do sets such as the Fawlty Towers and Black Adder Collections fall under this same rule? They are complete collections but nowhere close to resembling a megaset. They come in sets much like a season of Three's Company or Married With Children does.



This is obviously not covered in the Rules, and was not really contemplated at the time this particular Rule was written.

I can only give you my personal take on it, and that is that Black Adder should not be treated as a "Megaset".  Perhaps the Rules need to include some kind of cutoff, like more than 50 episodes.
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Those megasets are exactly what I thought the rule was referring to. Now the question is, do sets such as the Fawlty Towers and Black Adder Collections fall under this same rule? They are complete collections but nowhere close to resembling a megaset. They come in sets much like a season of Three's Company or Married With Children does.



This is obviously not covered in the Rules, and was not really contemplated at the time this particular Rule was written.

I can only give you my personal take on it, and that is that Black Adder should not be treated as a "Megaset".  Perhaps the Rules need to include some kind of cutoff, like more than 50 episodes.


Maybe not contemplated by you, Hal, but it was by me. Not that you were willing to listen, just like now. Its not like they are a new phenomenon, Hal, they have been around for several years now, they are now becoming more common as the Distibutors useit to upset those that bought individual seasons and get a few more dollars.

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Those megasets are exactly what I thought the rule was referring to. Now the question is, do sets such as the Fawlty Towers and Black Adder Collections fall under this same rule? They are complete collections but nowhere close to resembling a megaset. They come in sets much like a season of Three's Company or Married With Children does.



This is obviously not covered in the Rules, and was not really contemplated at the time this particular Rule was written.

I can only give you my personal take on it, and that is that Black Adder should not be treated as a "Megaset".  Perhaps the Rules need to include some kind of cutoff, like more than 50 episodes.


Maybe not contemplated by you, Hal, but it was by me. Not that you were willing to listen, just like now. Its not like they are a new phenomenon, Hal, they have been around for several years now, they are now becoming more common as the Distibutors useit to upset those that bought individual seasons and get a few more dollars.

Skip


As usual, they're trying to reinvent the damn wheel.  When I went to school, when something was 'complete' it meant that ALL OF IT was there.  A complete 'what' you might ask?  Why, a 'complete' season - as in all the episodes for that season are there in one set; or a 'complete' series - as in all the seasons (and by definition, all the episodes) are in one set.

The only problem is making sure everybody uses the same meaning for season and series.

One last point they don't seem to get.  It doesn't matter a tinker's damn whether a 'complete series' is one season's worth of episodes or 20 season's worth.  If it is ALL there, then it's a... wait for it...  COMPLETE SERIES!  I'm gonna go watch 'Ratatoille'.  The cartoon rat has to make more sense than this bunch.
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Those megasets are exactly what I thought the rule was referring to. Now the question is, do sets such as the Fawlty Towers and Black Adder Collections fall under this same rule? They are complete collections but nowhere close to resembling a megaset. They come in sets much like a season of Three's Company or Married With Children does.



This is obviously not covered in the Rules, and was not really contemplated at the time this particular Rule was written.

I can only give you my personal take on it, and that is that Black Adder should not be treated as a "Megaset".  Perhaps the Rules need to include some kind of cutoff, like more than 50 episodes.


Maybe not contemplated by you, Hal, but it was by me. Not that you were willing to listen, just like now. Its not like they are a new phenomenon, Hal, they have been around for several years now, they are now becoming more common as the Distibutors useit to upset those that bought individual seasons and get a few more dollars.

Skip


These "short series" were never discussed in the Rules Committee.

To claim they were is a fabrication!
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You were NEVER interested in listening, hal and you STILL aren't. That is a fact and you have demonstrated it here repeatedly.

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Take a look at the Vote results, Skip.

It is not I who is not listening! 
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No, Hal it is yoiu. who are not paying attention. You have a couple of things to say always when you don't want to acknowledge that your position might be wrong and they are both very predictable. i suggest you sit and see if you can understand what i am saying, i have seen no recognition of it yet, just your stock material. Pleas try

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You persist in accusing people who do not agree with your position of either not paying attention or not understanding.

Neither is the case.  I fully understand your position and have paid attention to every statement you have made.

I simply disagree with you!  Period!

You also persist in stating that you are not trying to force your personal preference onto the community and yet we have two polls currently going which overwhelming indicate that the community does not wish to have cast and crew in the "boxset" parent profile of "Complete Series" of TV shows.

You promptly fall back on your, "I am a database guru" argument, because you cannot overcome the common sense arguments being presented.

The database structure is not our concern!  It is Ken's concern.  Anything that we propose here that "is destructive to the database" will promptly be dismissed by Ken.  That is his call, not yours.

There is no plausible argument that you can present that would convince me that leaving cast and crew out of "Complete Series" profiles, while adding cast and crew to single season profiles, will in any way shape or form be "destructive to the database".

That too is a sheer fabrication.
Hal
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You persist in accusing people who do not agree with your position of either not paying attention or not understanding.

Neither is the case.  I fully understand your position and have paid attention to every statement you have made.

I simply disagree with you!  Period!

You also persist in stating that you are not trying to force your personal preference onto the community and yet we have two polls currently going which overwhelming indicate that the community does not wish to have cast and crew in the "boxset" parent profile of "Complete Series" of TV shows.

You promptly fall back on your, "I am a database guru" argument, because you cannot overcome the common sense arguments being presented.

The database structure is not our concern!  It is Ken's concern.  Anything that we propose here that "is destructive to the database" will promptly be dismissed by Ken.  That is his call, not yours.

There is no plausible argument that you can present that would convince me that leaving cast and crew out of "Complete Series" profiles, while adding cast and crew to single season profiles, will in any way shape or form be "destructive to the database".

That too is a sheer fabrication.

I completely agree with this. The program can handle the distinction just fine and the sky won't fall.
...James

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You guys are very short-sighted and it isn't worth the time. Thank you for at least telling me that you comprehend what i am saying Hal. that's a step anyway.

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You guys are very short-sighted and it isn't worth the time. Thank you for at least telling me that you comprehend what i am saying Hal. that's a step anyway.

Skip

My bigger concern is using disc ID's for child profiles at one point when they may be needed in another form later. But for what we're discussing here, the database structure is just fine. Just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean we don't comprehend what you are saying. I do as well. I just don't agree with your concerns.
...James

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Ok...so at this point what I am gathering from the discussion is that this rule:

"Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile."

was intended for these megasets and not for sets such as the Black Adder set and the Fawlty Towers set. So box set rules would not apply to these rather TV set rules should apply. Yes or No? or Maybe?
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Ok...so at this point what I am gathering from the discussion is that this rule:

"Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile."

was intended for these megasets and not for sets such as the Black Adder set and the Fawlty Towers set. So box set rules would not apply to these rather TV set rules should apply. Yes or No? or Maybe?

I believe it addresses a situation such as if "The Brady Bunch" was packaged together with "The Brady Bunch Variety Hour."
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Ok...so at this point what I am gathering from the discussion is that this rule:

"Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile."

was intended for these megasets and not for sets such as the Black Adder set and the Fawlty Towers set. So box set rules would not apply to these rather TV set rules should apply. Yes or No? or Maybe?


The way I read is is that boxset rules should apply to Blackadder (don't own Fawlty Towers)

You have four distinct 'seasons' bundled together (plus the later one offs). Each season is on a disc on it's own. People shouldn't forget that a season in the UK is a damn sight shorter than a US season, in this case 6 episodes.
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This is hilarious....we have 3 different interpretations of this rule at the moment. Rules Committe we need a ruling over here.

Lithurge...from what I am understanding is that this rule was intended for megasets...the Black Adder set is not a megaset...it is the same set as a single season of Three's Company or Married With Children that comes in a Digipak. Not 8 Digipaks bundled together.
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