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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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What is the relevance of 1/2/3 versus1//23?
Skip
In the first example the last name is 3 and in the second example the last name is 23. This is relevant data for various minds and purposes. As have been stated two applications of this relevant data would be sorting and displaying "last name, first name middle name". But the mere fact to know somebody's last name is relevant for me.
Not an explanation, Rho. I am not seeing why YOU believe parsing to be important. Are you saying because it is "coorect".
Skip
How would you define "coorect"? (even without typo?) What an inane remark.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
You can accuse me of many things and you have in this thread. But in every case that has come up about parsing, i am one of the few users who will actually dive in and start researching the name(s) to see what we can learn, and i report the results.. Most of the other comments I keep seeing are guesses. Let us remember, please, that at the time HBC became an issue, it was myself that uncovered the idea of ufinding and using three "consecutive films" with ping-ponged data, while not conclusive then or now, I believe that for whatever reason the name wnet back and forth, I don't believe that it was a change by the actress in how she actually handled her name, therefore HB-C is correct. I haven't checked to see what the data looks like since then, i haven't needed to, I am satisfied with the outcome. yes, it took a little bit of creative thinking but it worked.
So try as you might to claim that i am looking for impossible documentation, such statements are outright lies.
Skip You recall differently than I do. I recall it was the heritage registry that sealed the deal on HBC. The "three consecutive film" method calmed your curiousity, but it was really a moot point by then. | | | ...James
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
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You can accuse me of many things and you have in this thread. But in every case that has come up about parsing, i am one of the few users who will actually dive in and start researching the name(s) to see what we can learn, and i report the results.. Most of the other comments I keep seeing are guesses. Let us remember, please, that at the time HBC became an issue, it was myself that uncovered the idea of ufinding and using three "consecutive films" with ping-ponged data, while not conclusive then or now, I believe that for whatever reason the name wnet back and forth, I don't believe that it was a change by the actress in how she actually handled her name, therefore HB-C is correct. I haven't checked to see what the data looks like since then, i haven't needed to, I am satisfied with the outcome. yes, it took a little bit of creative thinking but it worked.
So try as you might to claim that i am looking for impossible documentation, such statements are outright lies.
Skip
You recall differently than I do. I recall it was the heritage registry that sealed the deal on HBC. That is my recollection as well.  the name Bobby Z comes to mind as well for some reason  |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
As with the common name threads, perhaps the way to go is to do parsing polls for troublesome names, pile all of the documentation into that poll (has to be a poll so that single voices don't dominate) and then in contributions, we refer to the poll. I would that that would be acceptable documentation in a contribution. That's indeed what I've been doing recently. But each and everyone of these threads have turned into the kind of back-and-forth we're seeing here - even just wading through all of it is getting tedious. The prospect of doing loads more - I could easily start a hundred of these threads right now - is a tad daunting, to say the least. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Let us remember, please, that at the time HBC became an issue, it was myself that uncovered the idea of ufinding and using three "consecutive films" with ping-ponged data, If I remember correctly, the last name of Mrs. Bonham Carter has been well documented for all but one user long before you have brought up your "three consecutive films" argument. For me the fact that she is the daughter of Raymond Bonham Carter has been more than enough documentation. |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
For me the fact that she is the daughter of Raymond Bonham Carter has been more than enough documentation. Indeed. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agreed so tellme, why hasve you ignored the entirety of what i said only to focus on a setteld issue. Did I say in any way she was an issue today. No, she is not. So you ignore what you want and choose to focus on whatever inanity you can create? Weird.  Not just you, Tim, this applies to all who have done exactly the sme thing. She was not even close to the point of the post, merely a comment. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | I wonder if there's going to be a conclusive result on any of these parsing-threads.
I'm nowadays keeping my parsing data local. Means: If my parsing differs from the one in the Online-database, I don't contribute the data anymore.
And to answer Skip's question why parsing is so important: I'd like to see the database cleaned in that way that all entries for actor x y z show up at once and not one for x/y/z and another one for x//yz. This messes up data and a database that is not consolidated is mostly one thing: Useless. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
And to answer Skip's question why parsing is so important: I'd like to see the database cleaned in that way that all entries for actor x y z show up at once and not one for x/y/z and another one for x//yz. This messes up data and a database that is not consolidated is mostly one thing: Useless.  | | | | Images from movies |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
If my parsing differs from the one in the Online-database, I don't contribute the data anymore. That's why these parsing problems need to be addressed - because it yet again complicates the contribution process, to the point of users keeping their valuable data local because they just don't need the burden of dealing with an online profile in which three names are parsed differently than in their local database. Back on topic - had anyone already pointed out that BFI.org.uk lists him as "HADEN CHURCH, Thomas" ? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: April 7, 2007 |  Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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And to answer Skip's question why parsing is so important: I'd like to see the database cleaned in that way that all entries for actor x y z show up at once and not one for x/y/z and another one for x//yz. This messes up data and a database that is not consolidated is mostly one thing: Useless.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
I wonder if there's going to be a conclusive result on any of these parsing-threads.
I'm nowadays keeping my parsing data local. Means: If my parsing differs from the one in the Online-database, I don't contribute the data anymore.
And to answer Skip's question why parsing is so important: I'd like to see the database cleaned in that way that all entries for actor x y z show up at once and not one for x/y/z and another one for x//yz. This messes up data and a database that is not consolidated is mostly one thing: Useless. I can agree with that, goblins. But because so much fuss is made about it, I suspect that is not the real reason, though I have no doubt it both yours and grave's. Amnd that doesn't really address why 1//23 is of necessity preferable to 1/2/3 or even 12//3. If a standard were achieved that all could enter the same way, with allowances for documented differences, this would go a long way towards what you wish and I wish to see. The problem comes that many want to ignore something which would be of benefit to all of us and simply want to be able to do things any way they wish. So, basically the question remains the same. In short I guess what is wrong with a 1/2/3, seeing as how any particular standard, regardless of what it is, will result in data which while being standard, may not be "correct" in ALL cases, and as I have explained it is much easier to move from 1/2/3 to 1//23 than it is from 1//23 to 1/2/3. I have explained that this has nothing to do with any culture, simply what is the MOST neutral position from which to begin, and it has to apply to ALL male and female alike. Males can just as easily have double barreled names as any female, I think we all know that. There will be some names that may be difficult to document a 1//23 change. I don;'t presume to make any sort of claim that name should be this or that simply because I think a name sounds like something in particular, I know far too much about names to make that sort insane assumption. Every person's name is individual to THEM and it is their right to define it as they wish, not us, not any individual custom and I will wager not even according to any supposed law. So all I have ever suggested is a simple startin position , that in order to list in any other form has to be backed up, nothing more or less. But in principle I absolutely agree with goblins and as I said this is caused because too may users simply want to apply their particular arcane rules,, which in reality they cannot really back up They can't back itup, nor can they recognize that all i am suggesting is in the interest of everyone, they hide behind such things as best guess, my culture, the rules do not say we have to do this that or something else (which is a true statement but does not do anything that benefits the Community as a whole). At Tim, except that he is NOT a British Actor and as I have said simply based on brouhaha that is ongoing here, I have to wonder if BFI has some information or are simply following their cultural norms. Personally in this case I will put more faith in the Library of Congress being correct than the BFI being as how he is an American actor, and we know that his wife's name Church, not Haden Church. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
(...) and as I have explained it is much easier to move from 1/2/3 to 1//23 than it is from 1//23 to 1/2/3.(...) You keep saying this. But I still don't buy your explanation. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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(...) and as I have explained it is much easier to move from 1/2/3 to 1//23 than it is from 1//23 to 1/2/3.(...)
You keep saying this. But I still don't buy your explanation. Good for you.  I don't buy any of what you say. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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(...) and as I have explained it is much easier to move from 1/2/3 to 1//23 than it is from 1//23 to 1/2/3.(...)
You keep saying this. But I still don't buy your explanation. I am not sure I accept it either as I have gone both ways with little, if any, resistance. Edit: That didn't come out right...but you know what I mean. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | If we are looking for a "neutral ground", wouldn't it make the most sense to go 1//23 as opposed to 1/2/3 when it comes to "questionable" last names, assuming the link Martian posted is true, that only 25% of women move their maiden to the middle? | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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