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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I never said it was resolved... in my eyes noting is resolved till it is in the rules or Ken tells us how to do it for sure. I already provided a link to the thread, so you can read back what happened. Basically, tweeter suggested what ninehours just posted here, Ken said that was fine, but also offered another alternative. And it never got any further than that. So now it's "first one in wins" again? Or ping-ponging between both types of handling? And, just as bad: having to go through a terrible ordeal when I want to contribute a simple cast correction to a profile where this is done differently than the method I've chosen: I'd have to reformat the dividers, contribute the change, and then change it all back. We really can't have two "equally valid" methods of handling for this - we desperately need everyone on the same page. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
I was routing for the version that ninehours typed  Me too. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote:
I never said it was resolved... in my eyes noting is resolved till it is in the rules or Ken tells us how to do it for sure.
I already provided a link to the thread, so you can read back what happened. Basically, tweeter suggested what ninehours just posted here, Ken said that was fine, but also offered another alternative. And it never got any further than that. So now it's "first one in wins" again? Or ping-ponging between both types of handling? And, just as bad: having to go through a terrible ordeal when I want to contribute a simple cast correction to a profile where this is done differently than the method I've chosen: I'd have to reformat the dividers, contribute the change, and then change it all back. We really can't have two "equally valid" methods of handling for this - we desperately need everyone on the same page. Telling me that don't help anything. I can't make Ken choose one. And until one way or the other is in the rules as Ken said... both is valid. I decided I liked Ken's suggestion better so that is what I went with... at least until Ken makes one or the other official. So I have to ask you... until Ken makes the final decision (whether it is discussed and submitted in the rules committee forum or Ken just says "do this") what more can we do? we will always have some people liking one way and others liking another way. | | | | Pete |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Telling me that don't help anything. [...] what more can we do? My post wasn't exclusively directed at you, Pete - I merely used a quote from your post to illustrate the problem. In doing so, I was hoping to (a) attract more opinions, and (b) hoping to attract Ken's attention. That's all.  | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes, Pete, both is valid Right now it is just a matter of personal taste. Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
Personally would go with
Reporters (Group Divider)
Cast - Role
Cast - Role
Cast - Role
Ball Reporters (Group Divider)
Cast
Cast
Cast I prefer this variation. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | ;)  I have to say this seems like much ado about nothing. I have done many group dividers now, INCLUDING nested ones, and never had ANY kind of question of how to do it, I can even create the nests. Based on Ken's comments during beta rollout, the group divider should be as it appears On Screen and like I said the nesting poses NO challenge at all. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Nesting does not work. The way the system is set, when you start another group divider it stops the previous group.
In a simple group
group a
1
2
3
4
5
the actor 1 credit shows up as within the actor credit block
+group A
now if you try to nest
Group a
1
2
group b
3
4
Where you would want the credit for actor 3 to show
+group a
+ group b
it will only show
+group b
which may very well mean nothing in context.
if you nest instead
+group a
1
2
group A- Group b
3
4
Now actor 3 will show credit
+ Group a - Group B
Now if you end group b and try to come back into group a
1
2
Group a
3
4
Group b
5
6
group b end
7
8
Actor 7, while yu may very well want to be
+group a
will actually show no group credit, which is not what we want
the only way for it to work
1
2
group a
3
4
Group a - group b
5
6
Group a <---------divider to return back to group a from sub group
7
8
group end
9
10
Now actor 3 will show +group a
actor 5 will show +group a- group b
actor 7 will show +group a
actor 9 will show no group.
the way it is programmed, this is the only way to get the credit to display properly.
Charlie |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | As an example look at
A. I. 667068956726
if you get the profile and addit to your DB, then look up the actor credits for like "Clark Gregg". you will see what I am saying. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I can even create the nests. No you can't. The program simply doesn't support that - it isn't possible at this time. Your comment only serves to prove that you don't understand the problem. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Nesting does not work. The way the system is set, when you start another group divider it stops the previous group.
In a simple group
group a
1
2
3
4
5
the actor 1 credit shows up as within the actor credit block
+group A
now if you try to nest
Group a
1
2
group b
3
4
Where you would want the credit for actor 3 to show
+group a
+ group b
it will only show
+group b
which may very well mean nothing in context.
if you nest instead
+group a
1
2
group A- Group b
3
4
Now actor 3 will show credit
+ Group a - Group B
Now if you end group b and try to come back into group a
1
2
Group a
3
4
Group b
5
6
group b end
7
8
Actor 7, while yu may very well want to be
+group a
will actually show no group credit, which is not what we want
the only way for it to work
1
2
group a
3
4
Group a - group b
5
6
Group a <---------divider to return back to group a from sub group
7
8
group end
9
10
Now actor 3 will show +group a
actor 5 will show +group a- group b
actor 7 will show +group a
actor 9 will show no group.
the way it is programmed, this is the only way to get the credit to display properly.
Charlie Interesting, Charlie, i will have to play with what you have posted. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Let's use a real example to illustrate the problem. These are the credits for Minority Report, and how they display in Profiler:
Pre-Crime
Tom Cruise as Chief John Anderton
Max von Sydow as Director Lamar Burgess
Steve Harris as Jad
Neal McDonough as Fletcher
Patrick Kilpatrick as Knott
Jessica Capshaw as Evanna
Pre-Crime Cops
Keith Campbell
Kirk B. R. Woller
Klea Scott
Frank Grillo
Anna Maria Horsford as Casey
Sarah Simmons as Lamar Burgess' Secretary
Eugene Osment as Jad's Technician
Office Workers
James Henderson
Vene Arcoraci
Erica Ford as Employee
Keith Flippen as Tour Guide
Nathan Taylor as Kid Tourist
Technicians
Radmar Agana Jao
Karina Logue
Elizabeth Anne Smith
Victoria Kelleher
Jim Rash
FBI
Colin Farrell as Danny Witwer
Stephen Ramsey as Jucket - Agent #1
Tom Choi as Paymen - Agent #2
Tom Whitenight as Price - Agent #3
Billy Morts as Foley - Agent #4
Now those are the first two groups of credits...Pre-Crime and FBI. The way it is set up now, the sub groups...Pre-Crime Cops, Office Workers & Technicians...are individual groups. There is no way to have them associated with the main group, Pre Crime. Where we should have two groups, as we have in the credits, we end up with 5. If we could have nesting, it would look like this:
Pre-Crime
Tom Cruise as Chief John Anderton
Max von Sydow as Director Lamar Burgess
Steve Harris as Jad
Neal McDonough as Fletcher
Patrick Kilpatrick as Knott
Jessica Capshaw as Evanna
Pre-Crime Cops
Keith Campbell
Kirk B. R. Woller
Klea Scott
Frank Grillo
Anna Maria Horsford as Casey
Sarah Simmons as Lamar Burgess' Secretary
Eugene Osment as Jad's Technician
Office Workers
James Henderson
Vene Arcoraci
Erica Ford as Employee
Keith Flippen as Tour Guide
Nathan Taylor as Kid Tourist
Technicians
Radmar Agana Jao
Karina Logue
Elizabeth Anne Smith
Victoria Kelleher
Jim Rash
FBI
Colin Farrell as Danny Witwer
Stephen Ramsey as Jucket - Agent #1
Tom Choi as Paymen - Agent #2
Tom Whitenight as Price - Agent #3
Billy Morts as Foley - Agent #4 | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I know the movie, but it's bee awhile since i actually looked at the credits...maybe the BD this week with luck.
I thin I see the point you are making, Martian, though i do wonder
Are
Anna Maria Horsford as Casey
Sarah Simmons as Lamar Burgess' Secretary
Eugene Osment as Jad's Technician
Actually part of the Pre Crime Cops sub-divider
Erica Ford as Employee
Keith Flippen as Tour Guide
Nathan Taylor as Kid Tourist
Part of the Office Workers, I don't know i would have to see the Screen.
But I think i see what you are saying. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Your request   |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here is how it needs to be done, with todays possibilities  This is also the way AI was done and approved. | | | | Last edited: by CharlieM |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I know the movie, but it's bee awhile since i actually looked at the credits...maybe the BD this week with luck.
I thin I see the point you are making, Martian, though i do wonder
Are
Anna Maria Horsford as Casey
Sarah Simmons as Lamar Burgess' Secretary
Eugene Osment as Jad's Technician
Actually part of the Pre Crime Cops sub-divider
Erica Ford as Employee
Keith Flippen as Tour Guide
Nathan Taylor as Kid Tourist
Part of the Office Workers, I don't know i would have to see the Screen.
But I think i see what you are saying. Yes, everything above 'FBI' belongs to Pre-Crime. Edit: I see Charlie beat me to it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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