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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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It's just not feasible

It really doesn't matter whether it's "feasible" in your eyes - it's just how it is. It's nothing new, too - the same goes for an on-screen "sound mixer" credit. That can be either "production sound mixer" or "re-recording mixer". We HAVE to look at the context to make the call. This is no different.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Tim:

The answer is so obvious, right under your nose.<sigh>

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Tim:

The answer is so obvious, right under your nose.<sigh>

You think so? From your post here, I gather that you've switched viewpoints, and are now agreeing with me? There, you're adopting my practice of entering a U.K. "sound recordist" entry as PSM - as it should be, indeed. If you agree with me, then what's the problem?

There's really no point in arguing when you've adopted my point of view... 
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I have not adopted your point of view. I will NOT support trying to create TWO separate definitions for the same credit. Not a chance. BUT there is a way to achieve the objective that you wish to achieve.

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Quoting T!M:
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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It's just not feasible

It really doesn't matter whether it's "feasible" in your eyes - it's just how it is. It's nothing new, too - the same goes for an on-screen "sound mixer" credit. That can be either "production sound mixer" or "re-recording mixer". We HAVE to look at the context to make the call. This is no different.

I know it won't make a difference, but I have to point out that the reason we do it for the 'sound mixer' credit is because the crew chart tells us to...Sound Mixer (when listed outside the Sound credits).  There is no such statement for Sound Recordist.  It is, per the crew chart, 'Sound'.
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A distinction without a difference?

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There is no such statement for Sound Recordist.  It is, per the crew chart, 'Sound'.

Yet Skip said yesterday (link): "Check PSM, use Custom role to capture Sound Recordist" (again: something I wholeheartedly support, always have, and Skip seems to have finally seen the light).
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I know it won't make a difference, but I have to point out that the reason we do it for the 'sound mixer' credit is because the crew chart tells us to...Sound Mixer (when listed outside the Sound credits).  There is no such statement for Sound Recordist.  It is, per the crew chart, 'Sound'.

Exactly. And that means that most contributors will be unaware of this issue, since the forums, and particulary the Contribution Discussion, are not particularly inviting or conclusive.
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Or it can be entered as a direct UK translation of the US production sound mixer.

Once more, and hopefully needed for the last time: The "direct translations"-passage was established to enable crew credits in other languages than English. Not for opening interpretation gates from one dialect to another.
English is English is English -> no translation needed!

And I really ought to know, since it was my proposal that brought this in.

Quoting goblinsdoitall (from here):
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In the same discussion it was shown that according to the rules in the version at hand it would be not allowed to enter crew roles from non-english movies so possibly this would be more acceptable.
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For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Film Credits to Include" column. If someone is not credited with one of these roles, or direct translations of them, do not include them in the Crew section.


Would someone kindly notice the phrase "non-english".
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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There is no such statement for Sound Recordist.  It is, per the crew chart, 'Sound'.

Yet Skip said yesterday (link): "Check PSM, use Custom role to capture Sound Recordist" (again: something I wholeheartedly support).

Glad to hear that, Tim. I does not change my psosition which is NOT to try and create two separate definitions for the same term, is that too difficult for you. It is a way to accommodate those that want to to be able to do so. However, take note that with the Communication in Contribution Notes that i described it is WORTHLEE to all but the user, without the communicatiobn everyone should either vote NO or upon discovery of the less than honest data, changed back to Sound , then maybe the Contributing user will make better use of his Notes the next time,. The communication through the Notes is something which i know you abhor, but it is CRUCIAL.

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Billy Video
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