Quoting Lewpy:

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I was going to suggest splitting the crew in two: the "standardised" crew section we have now, and the "custom" crew we can currently add (but not contribute and share). These could be kept apart, so you can update/subscribe to one or both sections independantly.

But there are issues with that 

What I don't currently like is that as soon as you start using the "Custom" crew options, then you seem to have to lock your crew to prevent online database updates from wiping your custom data
Say I added a "Visual Effects" credit, and make add custom text to it locally to show it is "Visual Effects Supervisor", when the online update comes back down, it says it wants to set it to "Visual Effects" while mine shows "Visual Effects Supervisor". Will it overwrite my custom data, or is it just not really telling me what it will do? Same with custom crew credits that were not contributable?

Very true, Lewpy and I don't like that either. I think totally open and WSIWYT are the answers , then we as users decide how much of that data we want to make use of and we are not limited by the data in the online.

IF there is somebody out there who wants to include Gaffers or <gasp>Accountants, so be it, then I can decide if I want to make use of that data or NOT, and that is a decision I should be able to make regarding each title I update, not AFTER I make the update and then have to review and remove.

I short, I don't want to put any limitations on what data YOU consider important, nor do I wnat YOU putting any limtations on what I might consider important, and there is only one way to accomplish that. As I said it will involve challenges for all of us as users. Just as I have said relating to Features we need to be able be specific in the Features on the disc, what is there  and so forth, then you as the user can decide whether you want that specific information or maybe for you the generic information is enough...that is your call locally. I don't like having to tell any user he cannot contribute this or that, but he can maintain it locally if he wishes. He should be able to Contribute, then each of us can make our own decisions.

The ONLY thing I would continue to stand against in this regard is the inclusion of any (uncredited) crew data...for two reasons. (1) This data is exceedingly difficcult to produce verification for, unlike (uncredited) Cast which can generally be accomplished with a screen cap or time stamp. (2) Involves the penchant for users for users to refuse properly document their Contributions, but to simply throw data up on the wall and see if it sticks, or hide behind the skirt of Ken's comments in order to throw it up on the wall, while demonstrating a total lack of concern and understanding for Communication with other users. Yes, Tim, this means you as a prime example. I have said repeatedly that i am not interested in data generated by such users, sorry guy. I consider the documentation to be of utmost importance, it is not about the screeners and how little you can say to get past the screeners or ken, it is communicating with ME as a fellow user and a failure to adequately communicate with other users now and in the future and i consider such poor documentation to be very disrespectful to ALL of your colleagues in the Community, you aren't alone, I am sad to say but then neither am i.

Skip

Well, there are some I can think of. What about Frank Capra's war documentaries?

Except that there is a Rule that specifically states that you can not add uncredited crew to the online database... so unless Ken changes that it don't matter what kind of documentation you have... it can't be added.

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Except that there is a Rule that specifically states that you can not add uncredited crew to the online database... so unless Ken changes that it don't matter what kind of documentation you have... it can't be added.

Tell us something we DON'T know. 

Really? I thought it was fairly obvious it was a discussion about how crew credits could be handled better than is currently the case. The discussion has been about that issue ever since Skip brought up his idea of open credits right on the top of page 2 of this thread.

I understand Pete's ummmmmwell-founded skepticism.

Skip

But what you need to remember is this is the Contribution Forum. A lot of people come here to see how to contribute profiles now. If someone comes to the thread and reads this without knowing there is a rule against it could very well think they can use uncredited crew with the above documentation now... and then not understand why they are getting no votes and/or declines when they read how to do it right in the Contribution Forum.

And yes I know where the talk first started. But as I said... no one here mentioned it was not allowed per rules now. And since I seen people take such threads from the contribution forum to heart and start trying to do it right away I put up a reminder of the rule... I don't know why that is a problem for you.

sure they can... just add it as if they were credited... they just wouldn't be marked as uncredited. I not only have seen people try it before... I have seen people ask on the forum about there being exceptions to the rule since it can be well documented. So it is not like it is impossible to add an uncredited crew member. It is only impossible to mark them as uncredited.

And since I have seen this... more then once... I didn't feel it was unnecessary... if I did I wouldn't have mentioned it to start with. There is more opinions then your own out there... just because it seems unnecessary to you personally don't make it universally thought of as unnecessary.