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Removing uncredited from a new release that was cloned from another DVD. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: So the 1998 DVD was loaded with Dozens of uncredited names which to me looked like an IMDB clone.,which came to my attention a few years back ( 2004), when The film was released on a 4 disc set with the main movie on two discs. After finishing the cast for the dividers in place for the all the opening credits ( there was no closing credits in those days), I was informed that all the uncredited cast I removed for the special 4 disc ed was wrong as the uncredited names are all included in a special booklet that came with the 2004 edition. The 1998 edition was approved with no uncredited , Why? because They appeared to be an IMDB clone as well as there was no booklet. So what will happen this fall ,, IF Blue ray releases the 2004 Special ED. without a commerative booklet? But the 1998 (ala 2k 2004) ediiton is the same version a 4k Ultra-Resolution transfer and archival video master was achieved for BlueRay and HD TV ., .
Which clone shall we take it's cast from ? the 1998 or 2004 edition? There are both the same movie. If you have the booklet from the 1998 edition that lists uncredited actors you can use it as a means of documenting for future editions. Just document that's where you got the data in the new contribution. | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | only the 2004 edition had the extensive booklet with all names .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, whichever it is, Terry that is solid documentation re: (uncredited), there COULD be errors, but it is also form the company archives presumably and is more accurate than any third part source.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | I still say, after all of this , We should ONLY take credit from the film credits itself and no where else.. Whether the uncredited name is Joe Schmoe,, or Robin Williams.. or an actor on a TV set playing in the background ,, i.e., James Stewart from It's a Wonderful Life- gets an uncredited film credit.. I say take it all out.. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | We do not enter actors that are on the TV set playing in the background. If someone is doing that, then it needs to be removed. As for removing all uncredited, that battle is lost. Ken has made it quite clear that it is data we are going to keep because there are users that want it. Those that don't can easily remove them from their local DB. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I can understand that, Terry. But then on the other hand there are valuable nuggets of information in (uncredited) as well, such as one Clint Eastwood's earliest appearances in front of the camera as a Lab tech in 1955s the Revenge of The Creature, and he is easily documented. In today's (uncredited) data, IF it can be documented, may be some of tomorrow's biggest stars. Today, the name means nothing...who is that?...tomorrow...Tom Cruise...jumping on somebody's couch All i will say is DOCUMENT, if it's in another profile and not documented...don't copy it, if it is documented in another profile copy the Notes, it doesn't take any time. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | BTW, Terry, I was on your side, I wanted to scrap all of the old (uncredited) and start over with documentation for ALL. Why? Because I saw exactly the problems we have today, but as Unicus noted Ken had other ideas and I CAN understand that rationale, but I also have no problem with us as users expecting a little better of each other for the benefit of ALL. Not just so you (generic) can save a few keystrokes.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote: I can understand that, Terry. But then on the other hand there are valuable nuggets of information in (uncredited) as well, such as one Clint Eastwood's earliest appearances in front of the camera as a Lab tech in 1955s the Revenge of The Creature, and he is easily documented. Or as the Jet Fighter Pilot in Tarantula, also 1955. I remember the host of 'Creature Features' pointed him out...if you live in the Bay Area, you know what a great show that was. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | ROFLMAO, Unicus, I think we all had or "Creature Feature". In my hometown of Clearwater, Fl we had Three of them, we had Friday Night "Shock Theatre" with the most unbelievable commercial for the Columbia Restaurant in Tampa. If there are those from the area in that time, they will know...Salud and happy days 5, 746 times. The on Saturday afternoons we had Terminus Theatre. Then we had another one I forget when it aired, for some reason i didn't watch it much but i remember the host Dr. Paul (Pall) Bearer. It turns out that D. Paul Bearer was one of the hosts for Shock Theatre. But the original was Shock Armstrong and you can read about him and see his picture http://www.shockarmstrong.info/ Boy does that take me back. For thiose who would like to see a picture of the Good Doctor and his hearse see http://www.crazedfanboy.com/spotlight/drpaulbearer.html Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Plus, many early films had no credits or only credited a couple people. Uncredited info is important. | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | INHO Uncredited cast info does have value. Clint Eastwood's early appearances have already been mentioned. Another typical example I'm thinking of are the traditional cameos by Alfred Hitchcock in many of his films. I agree with Ace as well.
It's all a matter of proper documentation. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,414 |
| Posted: | | | | Regarding the 1998 and 2004 booklet scenario, remember that IMDB is (or can be) a two-way street. The IMDB folks may well have cloned their info from the booklet, which is why they match. We don't know. But as long as we have the booklet, I'd say that's certainly sufficient verification of the uncrediteds. | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: Plus, many early films had no credits or only credited a couple people. Uncredited info is important. Boy are you right about this, Ace. It really annoys me when I watch a movie from the 30s or 40s that has maybe 30 important characters in it but there are only 10 credited. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote: Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
Quote: Plus, many early films had no credits or only credited a couple people. Uncredited info is important. Boy are you right about this, Ace. It really annoys me when I watch a movie from the 30s or 40s that has maybe 30 important characters in it but there are only 10 credited. I'll agree with that. The only real problem I have is that the source for all of this amazing data is suspect. But, a long list of names certainly looks more impressive than a short list of names, regardless of accuracy. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: Quoting kdh1949:
Quote: Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
Quote: Plus, many early films had no credits or only credited a couple people. Uncredited info is important. Boy are you right about this, Ace. It really annoys me when I watch a movie from the 30s or 40s that has maybe 30 important characters in it but there are only 10 credited. I'll agree with that. The only real problem I have is that the source for all of this amazing data is suspect. But, a long list of names certainly looks more impressive than a short list of names, regardless of accuracy. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: Quoting kdh1949:
Quote: Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
Quote: Plus, many early films had no credits or only credited a couple people. Uncredited info is important. Boy are you right about this, Ace. It really annoys me when I watch a movie from the 30s or 40s that has maybe 30 important characters in it but there are only 10 credited. I'll agree with that. The only real problem I have is that the source for all of this amazing data is suspect. But, a long list of names certainly looks more impressive than a short list of names, regardless of accuracy. Thus, the documentation. It would not improve the database to leave Arthur Q. Bryan off of Looney Toons, for instance. |
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