Maybe, but neither of these fields is covered in the rules.

For the sake of the (vast) majority of users that doesn't come to the forums, I would still like to see both fields addressed in the rules themselves.

I'll take a stab at a rough draft for a CoO rule.  Anyone who can help simply, say something!  I know I'm wordy. 

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Country of Origin:

Enter the home country of the film's primary production company. 

For example, credits for The Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring read "New Line Cinema presents a Wingnut Films production," indicating Wingnut as the production company, and therefore making New Zealand the Country of Origin.  In many older films the production company may be found as part of the film's copyright notice.

For international co-productions and films whose production company's home country is not listed, leave this field blank.

For box sets, you may enter a country only if all contents of the set share the same country.  Otherwise, leave this field blank.

If you need assistance, or are unsure about identifying the production company or its home country, feel free to ask in the Contributions forum.

Even if what he did was against the rules, when someone misinterprets the rules, you're supposed to tell them they are misinterpreting the rules, not that they are trying to twist the database to their own ends.

I see we're just making new friends all over the place here. 

Quoting CharlieM:

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As far as the statement about the original title, while this may be an example of opening credits usage, I do feel this is a false argument, for this even falls within a different category of the rules and is only a small subset.

I wasn't using this as an argument to obtain crew credits from the opening credits. While I had a different opinion before this topic was launched, I see the point made by many here. And I agree end credits is the way to go.

I just wanted to open up the discussion on original title. The rules only say to take the original title from the credits, and here I feel opening credits take priority over end credits.

I agree with Chris' position: end credits for credits, opening credits for original title.

Grave:

I hope you understand why that was done, there very definitely was a reason behind it. There are very few movies that have roles as part of the front end credits, they may jave one or two listed but generally it is just actors. The roles as described are typically in the end credits. We only wanted one source for the data, instead of trying to confuse people with trying to create some sort of a hybrid set of credits. So we just deal with it as is. The only reason I can think of  that you would want some other way is so that you can list by billing or priority, bot of which are questionable, for example  a lot of times billing is about ego, if Bruce willis were upset about being billed let's say 5th in a list based on appearance then who are we to argue, just because he is top billed in the open (maybe) or even the poster. And if we were going to create some form of hybrid based on what exactly, let's say a movie stars Bruce and Demi, the movie top bills Bruce, the poster top bills Demi, then we have someone wanting to use poster creds. One movie that sticks in my memory is Mame, not for any reason other than they treated the whole film as if it were a broadway play and handled the credits as they would a Broadway play, hence the last actors on stage to take their bows were the headliners Lucy and Bea Arthur, not unique but pretty unuusual and relatively rare.

That is a short and very dirty explanation of the reason. Any other possibility made no logical sense when dealing with a large community,but of course because of the overall program design all users are able to move their data around to their heart's delight

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