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Wanting to do it right, but getting it wrong
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJayce
Registered: May 10, 2007
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I can understand this for a change in an existing profile, but for a new one, explaining everything is, in my opinion, unusefull.
Actually, I don't remember exactly what I changed from the 10 profiles I sended yesterday, so I can't precise it exactly. Also, I don't think screeners compare the two versions to see the differences, so whatever I write as a comment, they won't check.

The screeners have usual "pre-written" decline responses. I have to guess by myself what is wrong in my contribution and in this case ask in the forum. It's not a good way to push the users to contribute.
If we have to explain everything, then the contribution rules should be more precise not to frustrate a user wishing to contribute, else, it will end by giving up contributions or having a "pre-written" contribution comment like this
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Cover scan
Languages, subtitles, features, overview and dvd informations from cover
Cast & crew from ending credits
release from dvdfr.com
srp from dvdpascher.net

It will mostly be accepted, so can be used everytime even if not true.

It takes me some time to submit profiles as I try to be as correct as possible, and when I see that I have to spend more time to "please" the screeners, while I sometimes see some awfull profiles, full of errors, it's very frustrating.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorArdos
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The point of having detailed notes quoting sources is that they can be checked for accuracy & if where you're taking them from is acceptable following the rules. Yes there are errors in the database, yes the screeners do make mistakes, however we're all only human after all.
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It makes no difference whether it is an update or a new profile... they still need to know where the information is coming from. And they still can't read your mind to know where this info is coming from. Yes Invelos has gotten more strict on the rules and the contribution notes within the last several months to a year. But it is those "awfull profiles, full of errors" as you put it that brought this to be.

And yes... the screeners have "pre-written decline responses"... but for good reason... Invelos is a 2 person company... Ken Cole and his wife Geri... there is only so much they can do when they need to approve/Decline every contribution from every locality within every Region. They used to not give any type of decline reason what so ever... but they took the time to put in some pre-written ones with the most common errors. Which makes it much better then it was before.

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It will mostly be accepted, so can be used everytime even if not true.


I don't think it is very smart to publicly say you are willing to lie in a contribution. It will just give screeners (and voters for updates) reason to be concerned about your contributions. And double check them when voting/approving/declining.
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It takes me some time to submit profiles as I try to be as correct as possible, and when I see that I have to spend more time to "please" the screeners, while I sometimes see some awfull profiles, full of errors, it's very frustrating.


Why would you want to contribute a profile but not say where the data are from? It takes a minute or two to write down the sources you used, and it lets the screeners and other users know where your data is actually from: that may be obvious for you, but it's most valuable information for the others.


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It will mostly be accepted, so can be used everytime even if not true.



What's the point of cheating? Someone is going to pay you for every profile you get approved? 

I think that we contribute profiles (as opposite to just keeping them local) because we like to share the  job we did, but fake contribution notes would make it much less useful, if at all.
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Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJayce
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And yes... the screeners have "pre-written decline responses"... but for good reason... Invelos is a 2 person company... Ken Cole and his wife Geri... there is only so much they can do when they need to approve/Decline every contribution from every locality within every Region. They used to not give any type of decline reason what so ever... but they took the time to put in some pre-written ones with the most common errors. Which makes it much better then it was before.


Yes, I know and understand that. I already complained on the subject a year ago when there wasn't any reason written for decline. It's better now, however, I think that contribution rules should be more precise to reduce or understand better those rejects.
An example for several cases with the corresponding comments wanted should be written in the rules (or somewhere else) to be able to do things correctly, instead of having to ask for it in the forum, don't you think ?

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I don't think it is very smart to publicly say you are willing to lie in a contribution. It will just give screeners (and voters for updates) reason to be concerned about your contributions. And double check them when voting/approving/declining.


I don't say I will, I just say it's a way to bypass the "decline". If you're tired of getting declined without clearly know why I think you can be tempted to do so.
Actually, I just try to know why I am rejected. If I want to cheat, I don't need to ask in the forum how to.


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What's the point of cheating? Someone is going to pay you for every profile you get approved?

You're right. There is no real reason. I like DVDProfiler partly because of it's huge database. I am glad to have benefit of the work of the others, so I also contribute to share my work, it's a fair trade.
But if I can't contribute the "normal" way because I'm rejected, I can still share my work with other by cheating (as I think my work is correct and be used by others), or simply stop contribute in a selfish way, keeping my work for me.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantWhite Pongo, Jr.
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@Jayce:

If you write clear contribution notes, others will have the possibility to verify if your contribution was done properly. That's useful for the others but it might turn out to be useful for you as well, in case you missed out something (nobody's perfect!), and of course it works the other way too: when you use profiles contributed by others you will be able to verify what others did 
-- Enry
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