Quoting 8ballMax:

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A 'Media Company", as you say, is the actual company handling the physical distribution and or production of the media.

I didn't say that, you did.

By the way, does this mean you wish to include the company operating the factory that presses the discs?  Should we include the printers who print the artwork?  How about the contractor hired out to author the DVD?

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Quoting kdh1949:

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There are three spaces for "companies" so what possible problem is there with including an entry like Disney DVD in one of the slots?  

Because it isn't a company?? 


Seriously though, if it's important to you and other users, I don't see anything wrong with it being included. I believe the confusion Ken is regarding the rules around this area, which as I'm sure you will agree need some clarification to avoid future problems and ping-ponging.
As a contributor to the database, I can only put my hand up and admit I am confused as it currently stands

Quoting scotthm:

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I don't (and shouldn't be expected to) read every post in the contributions forum.  The Rules are reasonably brief, and the rules and guidelines should be confined to that, IMO.

Maybe they should be, but actually they aren't. 

Quoting 8ballMax:

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Quoting scotthm:

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The copyright holder is of necessity involved in the 'publication' of a DVD, if in no other way than allowing it to happen at all.

Not necessarily. A copyright holder, due to lack of funding, may grant production and or distribution rights to another entity in order to get their product on the market. That, IMO, doesn't make the copyright holder a distributor or publisher.

The copyright holder may just be the licensor.  See, e.g., films that are licensed to The Criterion Collection.  The copyright holder may not necessarily be the production studio either, since film libraries often change hands. 

Criterion is also deeply involved in why "distributor" isn't adequate either.  They're distributed by Image Entertainment currently (and used to be distributed by Home Vision), so if you limit it to "distributor" we aren't capturing Criterion in either field.  Ditto for the many small companies that are licensing stuff and being distributed by Ryko and others (Synapse, MYA Communication, Code Red, etc.)  When you add to it that the name of the distributor for these companies isn't always emblazoned on the package, and can change over time as distribution deals expire, it's not really terribly useful information.

I have no problem with WDSHE.  Disney DVD is a little iffier, but I don't have much of a problem with it.

How to write a rule that captures this and makes people happy is going to be  a big task, in any event.

Quoting richierich:

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Why couldn't we have just had a 'distributor' field, and only listed the companies copyrighted on the cover? Or is that too simple??

Confused!

I haven't read the entire thread yet, so forgive me if this has already been covered, but we DID have a 'distributor' field.  That field was changed because, quite a few, people wanted to record the 'labels' or 'brands'.

Quoting T!M:

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Although I fully understand your concerns, again I have to point out that there's absolutely no way you can expect the average user to be able to distinguish in this manner between the various logos that he sees on the cover.

I agree with T!M.  As I said, I have already seen this exact entry contributed and approved.  I guess it just depends on which group of users own the title...and it shouldn't be that way.

Quoting Unicus69:

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BVHE is the home video distribution division of The Walt Disney Company.  While they might operate as WDSHE, in other countries, it is in name only.

I don't know who's who in the DVD publishing/distribution business, but this is from an October 2007 press release:

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Walt Disney Home Entertainment is distributed by Walt Disney Studios Worldwide Home Entertainment, Inc., a recognized industry leader. Walt Disney Studios Worldwide Home Entertainment is the marketing, sales and distribution company for Walt Disney, Touchstone, Hollywood Pictures, Miramax, and Buena Vista DVDs and Blu-rays.

©Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment, Inc.

press release

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Quoting Unicus69:

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if you look at the fine print on the back of the 'Tinker Bell' DVD...the one this is a press release for...you will find that it says 'Distributed by Buena Vista Home Entertainment'.  WSDHE is simply the name they have adopted for 'name recognition'.

When Disney's own press releases say that "Walt Disney Home Entertainment is distributed by Walt Disney Studios Worldwide Home Entertainment, Inc.", how can you say that's not correct?  Is Buena Vista Home Entertainment the same thing as Walt Disney Studios Worldwide Home Entertainment, Inc.?

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