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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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What i know is that bad data got into ther database

Once again: no!! Good data got in the database - as you well know.

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Tracer was wrong and if you voted to suppprt it then you too were wrong.

I did vote "yes", indeed. If memory serves me right, so did you. And rightly so.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Jm:

I understand what you are saying, but I want the original users to do it RIGHT, that includes you, Hal.

I am not interested in having my data ot the Online polluted by such garbage, which only then has to take someone else's time to fix, you want it you do it and do it right the FIRST time.

Skip
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorTracer
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Tim:

You didn't cite the CLT in your notes, you didn't cite ANYTHING. You just pulled it out of you %^&

Skip



Actually if you look at the notes I contributed them.  Also if you look at the date it was done in 2007 when Ken hadn't defined on how exactly we are to determine common names nor was there a Credit Lookup Tool.  I can't remember exactly how I determined these common names since it has been over a year.  But, I can tell you it wasn't by using IMDB because I don't trust their data to begin with.

As far as the minimal notes as you (Skip) probably remember there was a time that Ken limited the number of contribution notes that got displayed.  So I also had to scale down my notes because of this change.  I haven't made a contribution in a long time and it appears Ken has allowed more of the contribution notes to be displayed now.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantDan W
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I hate that after so many years of doing this the same problems come up due to shear laziness and flip attitudes.


The rules say to document your contributions and changes. There is no "wiggle" room on this point. Correct or not, we are to document anything we contribute.

I understand that some information may seem blatantly obvious but the fact is, laziness begets bad data.

Stop being lazy and document your data.


Then perhaps, in time, the database can be trusted and folks like me wont have to spend so much time reviewing every single thing that comes down in the guise of an update.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantDan W
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Just one last thought.

All personal preference items belong in your personal database. If you want/don't want something, make that change in your personal database, lock the profile and leave the rest of us alone.
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I agree that all changes to a profile should be documented. Please note I said changes, not just additions. The removal of data should also be documented.
And removing data just because it wasn't properly documented in the first place is not good enough. As Tracer says, this change was made before hard and fast rules were made about the CLT. In fact, was the CLT even around then?
If Skip can document that the common name is wrong, fine. But until then the data should stay.

Edit: as for the OP, while it's wrong to remove Costume Supervisor, I have to agree that any "Assistants" or "Technicians" should be removed. I also agree with Pantheon that the addition of the new crew roles has been handled very badly. At the moment I'm adding them very rarely simply because it's too much of a mess to try and work out which credits are valid.
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Instead of removing correct data with no documentation, why don't you just document it?

Or do you not wish to have a link between Jacky Bisset and Jacqueline Bisset in your local database? Seems crazy when you know they are the same person.

Plenty of undocumented data gets added by "New contribution" or the initial data load. New documentation is better than removal.

James



I totally agree with you James.

Dirk
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I have to disagree with the removal any correct data if it is properly documented and accurate. This would include assistants and/or any other credit that we have a position for.
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Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Skip talks a good game about garbage getting into the database, but the examples mentioned here (Jacqueline Bissett and Jean-Paul Belmondo) are hardly garbage.  Skip is more interested in having his definition of "accuracy" enforced than he is in actually having accurate data.  It makes absolutely no sense to try to remove valid, accurate, true data merely because at some time in the past someone entered it without documentation.

There is plenty of "real" garbage in the database to go after without destroying valid information just to prove some point. 

Posting three or four pages of unrelated contribution notes doesn't prove your point, BTW.

I know garbage when I see it, and the examples of Bisset and Belmondo just ain't it.  To try to remove these data because they weren't "properly" documented is pure and simple a waste of everyone's time.  And, just for the record, Skip, you are not the only one whose time is valuable.  So stop wasting mine.

If you want to go after garbage date, go right ahead.  Just make sure it's garbage you're after and not trying to make someone else look bad.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantDan W
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Skip

Instead of removing correct data with no documentation, why don't you just document it?

Or do you not wish to have a link between Jacky Bisset and Jacqueline Bisset in your local database? Seems crazy when you know they are the same person.

Plenty of undocumented data gets added by "New contribution" or the initial data load. New documentation is better than removal.

James



I totally agree with you James.

Dirk

Both of you should read through the rules again. Even new contributions are to be properly documented.
Dan
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Both of you should read through the rules again. Even new contributions are to be properly documented.

But at the start it was physically impossible to document new additions to the database. Are you seriously saying all that data should be removed simply because it wasn't documented?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantDan W
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Both of you should read through the rules again. Even new contributions are to be properly documented.

But at the start it was physically impossible to document new additions to the database. Are you seriously saying all that data should be removed simply because it wasn't documented?

That doesn't excuse any current changes. It has been well over a year that all contributions/changes are to be documented.

If anyone wants to change or add something in a profile, they must document their data. Anything less is laziness. Any such is a violation of contribution rules, should be voted against by the users and rejected by the reviewers.
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Skip

Instead of removing correct data with no documentation, why don't you just document it?

Or do you not wish to have a link between Jacky Bisset and Jacqueline Bisset in your local database? Seems crazy when you know they are the same person.

Plenty of undocumented data gets added by "New contribution" or the initial data load. New documentation is better than removal.

James



I totally agree with you James.

Dirk

Both of you should read through the rules again. Even new contributions are to be properly documented.


Dan, what does this have to do with reading the rules? It's about that the data is in the database and it's correct. We all know that. Yes, documentation is missing (and that's against the rules) but the data is still correct and already in the database. Why not just document it? Why removing good data?

Dirk
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Removing valid data from the database because of lacking documentation is just one thing - childish.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantDan W
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Skip

Instead of removing correct data with no documentation, why don't you just document it?

Or do you not wish to have a link between Jacky Bisset and Jacqueline Bisset in your local database? Seems crazy when you know they are the same person.

Plenty of undocumented data gets added by "New contribution" or the initial data load. New documentation is better than removal.

James



I totally agree with you James.

Dirk

Both of you should read through the rules again. Even new contributions are to be properly documented.


Dan, what does this have to do with reading the rules? It's about that the data is in the database and it's correct. We all know that. Yes, documentation is missing (and that's against the rules) but the data is still correct and already in the database. Why not just document it? Why removing good data?

Dirk

I highlighted the portion of his statement I take issue with. Re-read it.
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Both of you should read through the rules again. Even new contributions are to be properly documented.

But at the start it was physically impossible to document new additions to the database. Are you seriously saying all that data should be removed simply because it wasn't documented?

That doesn't excuse any current changes. It has been well over a year that all contributions/changes are to be documented.

If anyone wants to change or add something in a profile, they must document their data. Anything less is laziness. Any such is a violation of contribution rules, should be voted against by the users and rejected by the reviewers.


That is true but not the point here. The data is there and it's good. That's the point. If you think it's bad then document it. Same amount of work than just documenting that it is correct in this case.

Dirk
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