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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | The title of all films based on Stan Lee's characters IS 'insert character name here'.
All his credits give him his dues for creating those characters which are the names of the movie!
Say whatever you like, as written, he gets an 'Original Characters by' credit.
Actually, a 'Created by' credit was asked for and it is what you got. Unfortunately, this is not a 'Created by' credit. This is a 'Based on' credit which means, per the rules, it is an 'OCB' credit.
Like it or not, the rules are clear...OCB is "Used for screenplays based on characters from another work..." Star Trek the series, which these films are based on, is 'another work'. The fact that they kept the same name doesn't change anything. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
"Based on Star Trek" means more than just Characters. He also created the universe, style, philosophy (and the characters) and together they all add up to Star Trek.
Created By encompasses all this
Original Characters By disregards it That might be true, but we don't deal with what they did. We only deal with how they are credited. As I said before, Stan Lee did all those things for the Marvel universe...he still gets an OCB credit. The fact that this is 'Star Trek' does not make this a 'special case'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,623 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
The Title of each of these movies IS 'Star Trek: episode descriptor'.
The credit gives Roddenberry his dues for creating 'Star Trek" which is the name of the movie!
Say whatever you like, as far as I'm concerned he gets the "Created By" credit.
This is why we asked for it! Well, color me confused...  Just a couple of days ago you were vehemently opposed to "functional equivalents" and here you are saying that "Based on...created by" is the same as "Created by".  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
The title of all films based on Stan Lee's characters IS 'insert character name here'.
Precisely...He is credited with the CHARACTER, so an OCB credit is correct. Roddenberry is not credited for a Character or set of characters. Big , big difference! And just because the Rules may be clear to you, does not make them clear! Obviously! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
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The Title of each of these movies IS 'Star Trek: episode descriptor'.
The credit gives Roddenberry his dues for creating 'Star Trek" which is the name of the movie!
Say whatever you like, as far as I'm concerned he gets the "Created By" credit.
This is why we asked for it!
Well, color me confused...
Just a couple of days ago you were vehemently opposed to "functional equivalents" and here you are saying that "Based on...created by" is the same as "Created by". I never said anything about a "functional equivalent". On screen I see the words"created by Gene Roddenberry", so that's the credit I put in DVDP! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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Maybe I'm old and don't see real well but I distinctly see the words "created by Gene Roddenberry" on the screen!
Maybe you are because you are missing the words 'Based on'.  Do you mean the way that you take the credit "Screen Story By" and enter it as "Story By"???? | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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Maybe I'm old and don't see real well but I distinctly see the words "created by Gene Roddenberry" on the screen!
Maybe you are because you are missing the words 'Based on'.
Do you mean the way that you take the credit "Screen Story By" and enter it as "Story By"???? Um, not sure what you mean here. 'Screen Story by' is is in the credited as column for 'Story by' just like the words 'based on' are in the notes section for 'OCB'. I have no other choice. I have to enter it as 'Story by'. There is no 'based on' in any column for 'Created by'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Precisely...He is credited with the CHARACTER, so an OCB credit is correct.
Roddenberry is not credited for a Character or set of characters.
Big , big difference!
And just because the Rules may be clear to you, does not make them clear! Obviously! I don't believe Stan Lee is credited for a character or set of characters either. He is credited for the series of comics. The fact that the comics are named for the main character changes nothing...it is exactly the same thing. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
The fact that the comics are named for the main character changes nothing...it is exactly the same thing. Not to me. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: August 4, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | From the Television Credits Manual of the Writer Guild of America: Quote:
A “Created by” credit shall be given on each episode of an episodic series or serial to the writer when such writer has separated rights and is entitled to sequel payments under the terms of the Minimum Basic Agreement. The Company may contract to give such credit to any writer, but such contract shall provide that in the event another writer is determined to be entitled to such credit, as Guild Policy on Credits provided above, that writer shall be given a “Developed by” credit or other similar credit.
“Based on Characters Created by” is a writing credit given to the writer(s) entitled to separated rights in the following circumstances:
a. when a writer(s) is entitled to separation of 20 Guild Policy on Credits rights in a theatrical motion picture and there is a television sequel to such theatrical motion picture;
b. when a writer(s) is entitled to separation of rights in a television motion picture and there is a television sequel without an order for a series.
Where there are no separated rights, “Based on Characters Created by” may be accorded to the author of source material upon which a sequel is based. From Screen Credits ManualQuote:
"Based on Characters Created by" is a writing credit given to the writer(s) entitled to separated rights in a theatrical or television motion picture on each theatrical sequel to such theatrical or television motion picture.
Where there are no separated rights, "Based on Characters Created by" may be accorded to the author of source material upon which a sequel is based.
And there's no such thing as "Created by" in the Screen Credits Manual because it's a credit for episode of an episodic series or serial. | | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
On screen I see the words"created by Gene Roddenberry", so that's the credit I put in DVDP! You can't seriously take an arbitrary part of a sentence, and just ignore the rest of the sentence. That would even work if the credit read: "Not created by Gene Roddenberry"! | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | KLuyge;
Thius is DVDProfiler, we do not follow the WGA nor anyone else. It's nice infor but completely irrelevant.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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| Registered: August 4, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
KLuyge;
Thius is DVDProfiler, we do not follow the WGA nor anyone else. It's nice infor but completely irrelevant.
Skip OK Skip, From our roules: Quote:
Original Characters by = Used for screenplays based on characters from another work, credit the author of the characters here. For example comic adaptations and sequels.
Created by = -- The credit is: Based on Star Trek created by Gene Roddenberry Furthermore, Have you ever seen the credit "Created by" in a film? | | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can't say I have, but that does not mean its not out there, Kluge. It is highly possible that I have seen it and simply do not recall it, or it may be out there but we haven't stumbled into it. One thing I have learned is don'ty try and put hollywood into some sort of bottle because they refuse to fit into it. Many is the times I hav ethought , it must be this way because.... and then one of the next few films I edit proves the theory dead wrong.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
'Screen Story by' is is in the credited as column for 'Story by' just like the words 'based on' are in the notes section for 'OCB'. I have no other choice. The notes section is not allowed as a source for a role name. "Based on" is not allowed as a credit according to the rules. |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
.. just like the words 'based on' are in the notes section for 'OCB'. Again, you do exactly what you accused me of and ignore the rest of what it says for Original Characters By": Quoting the Rules Notes: Quote:
Used for screenplays based on characters from another work This credit does not say "Based on Characters from..." nor does it say "Original Characters By...", therefore an OCB credit is not allowed. OTH, it does say "created by...". | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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