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The rules say to "list names exactly as they are in the credits". To me, "exactly" includes capitalization. That's what I've always been told, too. With me so far?

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Well, as it is now, the ONLY way to capture the actual credit for this guy in say 'Die Hard 4', 'Spider-Man' or 'Seinfeld', is to use "Tim DeZarn, credited as Tim deZarn". I repeat: that's the ONLY way to retain the exact on-screen credit.

Wrong!
The only way to capture the exact credit is to use the exact credit.

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Again: I'm not talking about what this means for the CLT (nothing, obviously, and I never claimed otherwise), but simply about following the rules that tell us to "list names exactly as they are in the credits" when entering a set of cast credits. That's all. Still with me?

What I simply don't get is why you insist on using the "credited as" function?
This implies that there's a common name that is different from the credited. For verifying this we have to use the CLT, which, as already stated doesn't really help here.
So if "common name" and "credited name" for the program are identical, no matter how you capitalize the letter sequence, why use "credited as", when you already can enter the name "exactly as credited"?

Oh, and I just rechecked on my Die Hard 4.0 profile. I have a Tim deZarn there, no difference in the online database of this profile and no pending updates.
Is within the slightest probability, that by any chance another user contributed some profile changes?

EDIT: Forget it! Now I get what you mean, just tried to enter "Tim deZarn" to a profile where he wasn't already credited. Probably should have done so before.  
You're correct it isn't possible anymore.
But it still might be a bug in 3.5, or probably a misscarried feature.

REEDIT: Posted this in the "1247 Bugs"-thread

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As far as the original question goes, it appears that 'Tim deZarn' should be the Common name.

Again I have to ask: did you bother to actually READ the thread?! Yes, 'Tim deZarn' should be the common name. But this is no longer possible!!! Since this all seems so perfectly clear to you, would you mind sharing with us how an on-screen "Tim deZarn" credit should be entered into DVD Profiler now? Let's see if you're still against "this irrational fetish for using the "Credited As" system for capitalization only differences", shall we? Because as it is, using "credited as" is the ONLY way to reflect what's actually on the screen. I'm looking forward to your answer!

Did you BOTHER to read what I posted???????????????


Since Tim deZarn IS EQUAL TO Tim DeZarn as far as the program is concerned, the capitalization does not matter.

Perhaps you have been OBLIVIOUS since you first started using DVDP, BUT WE DO NOT MATCH CAPITALIZATION OF THE CREDITS....ONLY SPELLING, SPACING, PUNCTUATION AND PARSING.

Or perhaps you haven't noticed that we do not enter names that are ALL capitalized in the film credits in ALL capitals in DVDP!  Oh, an exception to the "exactly as credited" rule!

This anal retentive requirement to match a single capital letter in someone's name and call that "matching the credits" is simply absurd!  Just get the spelling, spacing, punctuation and parsing right and everything will link properly!

The ORIGINAL QUESTION was whether it should be 'Tim deZarn' or 'Tim de Zarn'.  NOTICE THE SPACE!!!!!!

YOU are the one that took the thread off into a completely DIFFERENT direction from the original question!

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[...a lot of nonsense...]

You obviously haven't understood anything I'm saying. I have better things to do, so you'll have to figure it out on your own. The one thing I will repeat for you is that we're now stuck with two ways to list an on-screen "Tim deZarn" credit in DVD Profiler's on-line database. It can either be stored as "Tim DeZarn" (which doesn't match the credits), or as "Tim DeZarn, credited as Tim deZarn" (which does match the credits). Note that both variants are already in use in the database. Even more fun ensues for users who stick with "deZarn" locally, but want to indicate that he's credited as "Tim DeZarn" in 'C.S.I.' - they would enter "Tim deZarn [Tim DeZarn]", which (I've tested) ends up in the online database as "Tim DeZarn [Tim DeZarn]". You've made clear that you would do it differently, but unfortunately denying the problem won't make it go away.

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[...a lot of nonsense...]

You obviously haven't understood anything I'm saying.

On the contrary.  I have read every post in this thread and understand exactly what you are saying.

The thing is....it is a NON-ISSUE over which neither you nor I have any control AND it does NOT affect linking of profiles in any way shape or form.

So who cares if a single letter is capitalized or not the way it is in the film credits?????

You need to get a life!

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So who cares if a single letter is capitalized or not the way it is in the film credits?????

I just love how everyone here changes opinions every week. "Who cares", you ask? Apparently you do! Let me quote a post you made three weeks ago:

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you must make sure that the capitalization that you submit in your contribution matches what is actually in the film credits.

So which is it?        You'll forgive me if I don't attach too much value to your opinions anymore, as they just seem to change with the wind. As for the rest: all I'm doing here is pointing out a simple problem - there are two ways of dealing with an on-screen credit of "Tim deZarn". When I say "denying the problem won't make it go away", remember that BOTH THESE METHODS ARE ALREADY PRESENT IN THE DATABASE! I'd have preferred to settle on a generally accepted, consistent method of dealing with these, instead of the usual "first one in wins" principle, with people from both camps voting against updates using the other method. But hey: apparently you don't give a damn about that.  I had hoped to prevent it, but alas...

Please show me exactly where I said NOT to submit your contribution with exactly the correct capitalization! 

No, you can't, can you?  That's because I never said it!

What I said is that use of the "Credited As" function in the way you want to use it for differences in capitalization of a name that is otherwise exactly the same is assinine!

I guess the fact that English is not your native tongue is catching up with you.