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Make "Adult" a checkbox
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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But Pete this is what an adult checkbox do. You choose personally what you want to show or hide in your collection. A check title doesn't pass the "parental control" and don't appear in the online collection. But, I don't want to let a program or another user decide what I can or can't show in my collection.

We will say as an example that I've a 12 years old boy and I let him use my computer and he can access my online collection : Personally I have no problem with nudity, but I've one with violence too real, so I look my collection and like it is now everything NR are allowed by the program. But, if I have the control I can use the checkbox to block some title, by exemple by my criteria :

Block : Cannibal Holocaust, Man Bites Dog, Murder Set Pieces and Hostel (just some exemples)
not block : Space thing, Trader Hornee, The All-American Girl (just some exemples)

Everyone here are different, that's why I prefer a "user solution" more than an impose way to do it like it is now.


I agree with you... that isn't what I was arguing... what I was arguing with was RHO saying it can all be done with the Ratings.
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what I was arguing with was RHO saying it can all be done with the Ratings.

Yes, but you need to give an Adult rating to a movie which is really rated NR, R, NC-17 or maybe lower depending on your preference and that's why "we" need a separate checkbox.
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I agree with you... that isn't what I was arguing... what I was arguing with was RHO saying it can all be done with the Ratings.

That's not what I am saying. I'm saying that we should not use the rating "adult" except for porn. I don't care how parental control is implemented as long as it does not affect me neither locally nor online because I do not use parental control. The industry has been trying to solve parental control by ratings only. How can we assume to be able to implement a better system which would work for everybody?

If you want to hide a profile from your children without an additional checkbox, assign the adult genre to the profile. But keep it local, except for porn. Your local genre does also affect your My Profiler online collection.
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I do not think it's that difficult or confusing to change the Adult Rating into a Parental Control Lock by changing it into a checkbox. That way everybody can decide for him/herself if a profile is for adult eyes only and by using the adult (which I think should be renamed to Erotic or Porn) genre they can indicate it contains explicit material.
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I agree with you... that isn't what I was arguing... what I was arguing with was RHO saying it can all be done with the Ratings.

That's not what I am saying. I'm saying that we should not use the rating "adult" except for porn. I don't care how parental control is implemented as long as it does not affect me neither locally nor online because I do not use parental control. The industry has been trying to solve parental control by ratings only. How can we assume to be able to implement a better system which would work for everybody?

If you want to hide a profile from your children without an additional checkbox, assign the adult genre to the profile. But keep it local, except for porn. Your local genre does also affect your My Profiler online collection.


I said way earlier I support this change...

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I will say here what I just said in the other thread... As I believe it is more then XXX/Porn = Adult... much more.

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That is exactly what I mean... there is more to it then just XXX/Porn I don't buy the XXX/Porn movies... but I do have several Playboy Videos and Girls Gone Wild videos... in my eyes these are adult videos. I wouldn't sit a kid in front of them.. so that to me is adult.

So.. I definitely agree with your A, B & C for sure... I can't think of anything for D... in my opinion D & E would be the same category. And F... in my opinion it comes the the extent of such things.

But yeah... when all is said and done... it most definitely is much more then XXX/Porn = Adult.

And like you said... According to whom?

What I think I would actually like to see... is maybe XXX added to ratings with an option not to show them at start-up/online. Then also have something like an adult checkbox in the personalize section with the option not to show them also at start-up/online.

This way you will have it out of the ratings... protect the younger eyes online and in program... and it can mean what it means to each individual... without effecting everyone else.


See what I put in bold above. The whole time I have been saying I agree with a checkbox for adult... Seems like somehow we been arguing with each other for the same feature request.. I don't know how or why... just know I been saying I want it with reasoning... and with every bit of reasoning for it I gave I was getting arguments that the ratings should handle what I want. So somewhere along the line here we got confused. So let me put it as simply as I can...

What I want is...

- A Checkbox in the personalize section for Adult that has the option to hide the adult profiles in the program as well as online.
- The Rating of Adult to be changed to XXX or something similar.
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I would really like if Ken let us know here what he think about this feature and if it's possible to implement it. I think that using the checkbox in place of the "adult" genre and rating is the way to correct this problem. It's just too difficult to have everyone agree about a concept as vague as "what is an adult movie".
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I think that the Parental Controls already offer everyone the ability to suppress the display of an "Adult" genre film from both the database display and the online display if they want to hide these titles.  I'm not in favor of adding another checkbox to the application because the feature that you're requesting already exists in the Parental Control options.

I fully agree.
There is no change or addition needed for this feature.
Matthias
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I can't speak for others... but I for one am for it because I see it as a different (and better) way then the current way... not an addition to what we have now.
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I think that the Parental Controls already offer everyone the ability to suppress the display of an "Adult" genre film from both the database display and the online display if they want to hide these titles.  I'm not in favor of adding another checkbox to the application because the feature that you're requesting already exists in the Parental Control options.

I fully agree.
There is no change or addition needed for this feature.


The problem is Genres are somewhat subjective, not everyone agrees on what they mean and what movies should be tagged, while a (possibly local) check box would add flexibility.

For instance, the TV show The L Word is rated NR and (in my profile) tagged with Genres: Television, Drama, Romance. Yet, I'll bet there are people that wouldn't want it to show in their collection because of its explicit sexual content.
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The L Word is a very good example... definitely an Adult Only title... but yet it is rated NR and trying to change the genres would be next to impossible due to all the opinions. Sure you can change it locally... but then you loose the genre... or the rating is not as on the case.

This new way you still get all 3 genres... plus the correct rating on the case... and still have a way to mark it as adult.
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The L Word is a very good example... definitely an Adult Only title...


Besides, it's an Adult Only title but I would never define it " pornography".

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# Pornography sometimes shortened to porn or porno, is the explicit representation of the human body or sexual activity with the goal of sexual arousal. It is similar to, but distinct from erotica, which is the use of sexually arousing imagery used for artistic purposes only. ...
-- Enry
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I will say here what I just said in the other thread... As I believe it is more then XXX/Porn = Adult... much more.

If you think that "much more" is parental control, then I have to respond that we already have the normal ratings which should be used for parental control. But for hiding profiles in your online collection from other adult users, "porn" should be the relevant criterion.


bold by me...
and why do you think it is only adult users that look at online collections? I know for a fact that kids and younger teens look at my collection online from time to time.

And just because ratings should tell what can be seen doesn't necessarily work... for example NR is a rating that could mean adult... or it could just mean it is a TV Series... since most TV Series is released with an NR rating on the box. So here I have TV Series and Playboy & Girls Gone Wild DVDs as NR... if I decide to hide all my NR discs... there goes my complete TV Series collection... the majority of my DVD collection.


Did you ever consider adding adult to the genre field and then just hiding adult DVD's.  If I remember correctly that is what I did.  Remember your personal collection deosn't have to match the online database exactly. 
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I think, we are mixing up three (completly different) issues here. Here is a trial to split them up, and put in my personal opinion on each of them:

1) Parental control: Therefore we have ratings!

The only thing I am missing here, is a more intuitive way to set up the parental control: Over here in Europe we have to test by trial and error which rating is translated to which american one. I'd like to have checkmarks for each locality (I think, that's the differentiator) where I can select all the ratings which are to be restricted - or maybe even better the other way around: select which ratings should be available for all audiences...

This system can also be used to restrict to lower ratings than the usual 17/18...

2) Genres: We have genres, which in my opinion are not really comprehensive.

For this discussion, I'd like to throw in some points of my view:
a) there does not exist a genre 'adult' out there in real world.
b) there is a big difference between films which belong to an erotic genre on one or porn on the other side. There are many films which are entitled to call themselves 'erotic' which have nothing to do with pornography: Basic Instinct, many movies from Japan, ... - and vice versa I'd say that most porn movies (if we can call 'em movies ) aren't really erotic...
c) We do not differentiate between a main genre (which should represent the type of movie - Thriller if I may stick with Basic Instinct) and subgenres (which should characterize the movie within the main genre - Erotic for my Basic Instinct example). I think this would be important, less for this adult/erotic/porn discussion but for classifying movies and tidy up with the current genres, since there are subgenres, which could never be main genres and vice versa:
ie. 'special interest' could never be a main genre while drama could never be a subgenre; same thing with for the main genre thriller which somehow corresponds with the subgenre suspense...

3) ... and this is the point of this thread... "Show Online Tag": This has nothing to do with any of the above points.

If we can get such a tag, then it would be up to any one himself to set this tag. Some of us would hide their porn movies, some even their erotic collection, while some others would simply hide the animation movies of their 5 year old daughter. - This is totally individually and has nothing to do with ratings or genres in any way...

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I think that the Parental Controls already offer everyone the ability to suppress the display of an "Adult" genre film from both the database display and the online display if they want to hide these titles.  I'm not in favor of adding another checkbox to the application because the feature that you're requesting already exists in the Parental Control options.

I fully agree.
There is no change or addition needed for this feature.

I don't use the Parental Control on DVDP, since the only person that I have to control is me and my parent don't control me anymore 

The checkbox is more for the online collection at least that's how I see it. It will give a way for the user to decide what movie appear or not in is online collection, like the system is now everything who have the adult genre is hidden if we decide to not showing "adult" title. If you prefer you could name it an "online checkbox" in place of "adult checkbox".

I agree with you that if it was just for the display with DVDP this feature will not be need since the Parental Control already does this.
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The problem is Genres are somewhat subjective, not everyone agrees on what they mean and what movies should be tagged, while a (possibly local) check box would add flexibility.

For instance, the TV show The L Word is rated NR and (in my profile) tagged with Genres: Television, Drama, Romance. Yet, I'll bet there are people that wouldn't want it to show in their collection because of its explicit sexual content.

I really can't see the big difference between setting a local checkbox and changing one of the 3 genres locally to adult. You don't have to contribute this genre change and loosing one genre is not really a big loss.
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There is the difference in our thinking.... loosing 1 genre is no real big loss to you... but it is to me... at least on some titles. That is why I support this checkbox system idea.
Pete
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