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Could the Canadian Ratings finally be corrected please? |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: ![Highest Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/4.png) | Posts: 6,740 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote: Why do we need to equate the current television ratings with film ratings? Is it simply how the program would update them? Because they might not translate. The television ratings that are currently in use, do not get used at all on Canadian home video releases. The current television ratings are for broadcast only (and I can't believe I didn't actually pick up on that before as I see them every time a show on tv begins, apologies) and NEVER get placed on a dvd/Blu-ray as a rating. The problem is that your bolded statement might by true in reality but most likely not in DVDP. People see a rating set called "Television" and they're probably going to use it when the have TV season in front of them. So what if it says 14A? 14+ is close enough, is it not? What Ken needs to do now is to find all the Canadian profiles which use the wrong rating set (programmatically not by hand of course) and he needs to update these profiles so they all use the "Film" rating set. Only then can he savely remove the "Television" rating set altogether. | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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| Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: ![Highest Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/4.png) | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote: Quoting Merrik:
Quote: Why do we need to equate the current television ratings with film ratings? Is it simply how the program would update them? Because they might not translate. The television ratings that are currently in use, do not get used at all on Canadian home video releases. The current television ratings are for broadcast only (and I can't believe I didn't actually pick up on that before as I see them every time a show on tv begins, apologies) and NEVER get placed on a dvd/Blu-ray as a rating.
The problem is that your bolded statement might by true in reality but most likely not in DVDP. If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that in DVDP there's profiles out there that (incorrectly) have the rating associated with them. Not that there are home video releases that actually use the rating, correct? Because there are no home video releases that use the television rating system. Quoting DJ Doena: Quote: People see a rating set called "Television" and they're probably going to use it when the have TV season in front of them.
So what if it says 14A? 14+ is close enough, is it not? Not to be an @$$, because I'm not trying to be one, but no, it's not close enough. They're two different ratings from two different institutions. You're absolutely right, they're going to use "Television" when they have the TV season in front of them, and then pick the rating that it says on the back cover, which in this case, would be the same rating as the "Film" ratings because they're the same across the board. Quoting DJ Doena: Quote: What Ken needs to do now is to find all the Canadian profiles which use the wrong rating set (programmatically not by hand of course) and he needs to update these profiles so they all use the "Film" rating set.
Only then can he savely remove the "Television" rating set altogether. Fair enough. Like I said, not a programmer ![](/images/emoticons/laugh.gif) I'd come at it from the stand point of simply replacing the incorrect TV ratings with the correct ones, but you guys who are quite knowledgeable in this kind of stuff are saying it needs to be done another way, so I'm good with that. This is the reason I think I don't know and probably won't ever know programming. It seems like instead of going from A to B, there are stops being made along the way at P, Z, R and L ![](/images/emoticons/laugh.gif) | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: ![Highest Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/4.png) | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | Despite my best attempts, some of that last post came off sounding rude. Please take my word for it, that was not how it was intended. ![](/images/emoticons/smile.gif) | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: ![Highest Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/4.png) | Posts: 6,740 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote: Fair enough. Like I said, not a programmer I'd come at it from the stand point of simply replacing the incorrect TV ratings with the correct ones: Yeah but that's the catch. Let's say someone bought Series X, and it has a 14A rating. he did select "Television" because it seemed to make sense. No he doesn't see 14A. But he does see 14+. The general user is not an expert in rating systems, so for him 14A=A4+, because it's both 14. So these profiles need to be corrected. But who's going through thousands of Canadian profiles to correct them manually? So a way needs to be found, to update them in one sweep. That's what the mapping list on page 1 is for. Only Ken can answer the question if there is even a profile with CA/TV/C8 rating out there. If not, no mapping is needed. If there is, it either needs to be emptied altogether or it needs to be mapped to one of the existing Film ratings. The process might not be perfect but it's the only way. Only when there's not a single profile out there referencing the CA/TV rating set only then it can be removed. | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 225 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
Quoting Ken Cole:
Quote: Final question is whether the ratings for Quebec should remain split into Film and Television sections.
I do not actually own any Quebec locality releases, so I'm unsure. This link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9gie_du_cin%C3%A9ma_(Quebec) states "The same classifications are used for television broadcasts" so I would assume that no, they do not need to be split. I can't be 100% sure however.
In fact, the system is not exactly the same : Quote: Quebec ratings
French-language broadcasters use the Régie du cinéma film rating system system for television programming.
G (general) – appropriate for all ages and must contain little or no violence and little to no sexual content; 8+ – appropriate for children 8 and may contain with little violence, language, and little to no sexual situations; 13+ appropriate – suitable for children 13 and may contain with moderate violence, language, and some sexual situations; 16+ – recommended for children 16 and may contain with strong violence, strong language, and strong sexual content; 18+ – only to be viewed by adults and may contain extreme violence and graphic sexual content/pornography.
An E rating (no rating will appear on screen) is given to exempt programming, in the same classes used for English Canadian programming above.
Taken from : Wikipedia and Régie du cinéma du Québec | | | Certainty of death... Small chance of success... What are we waiting for ?! |
| Registered: June 6, 2007 | Reputation: ![High Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/1.png) | Posts: 949 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Frodonf: Quote:
In fact, the system is not exactly the same :
Quote: Quebec ratings
French-language broadcasters use the Régie du cinéma film rating system system for television programming.
G (general) – appropriate for all ages and must contain little or no violence and little to no sexual content; 8+ – appropriate for children 8 and may contain with little violence, language, and little to no sexual situations; 13+ appropriate – suitable for children 13 and may contain with moderate violence, language, and some sexual situations; 16+ – recommended for children 16 and may contain with strong violence, strong language, and strong sexual content; 18+ – only to be viewed by adults and may contain extreme violence and graphic sexual content/pornography.
An E rating (no rating will appear on screen) is given to exempt programming, in the same classes used for English Canadian programming above.
Taken from : Wikipedia and Régie du cinéma du Québec The rating system is indeed different between Quebec and the rest of Canada, but the question, I believe, is whether movie and TV are rated differently in Quebec. To that, the answer is no: in Quebec, the same rating system applies to both TV and movie (see the sources you cite for instance). |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 225 |
| Posted: | | | | Wigram, the TV rating system in Quebec uses the same rating as films + the "8+" rating of the Canadian rating. So it's not exactly the same.
Two things here : 1. Your right because of the last notice on the Régie du cinéma du Québec website : "When television programs are marketed on video or DVD after their initial broadcast, they are considered as “films”, and will then be classified by the Régie"
2. But then, if someone would like to locally enter the real rating of a TV series (the one that was used at broadcast), it would miss the "8+" rating if there wasn't a TV rating system.
For that, I think we should keep both systems for Quebec and Canada. | | | Certainty of death... Small chance of success... What are we waiting for ?! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: ![Great Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/2.png) | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Actually the systmes are different throughout the entirety of Canada. Take Pain & Gain for example: In BC it is 14A In Ontario it received an 18A rating. The blu-ray release has the ON rating, maybe they take the same route as DVDP, taking the highest. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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