I am open to any suggestions for the invelos community to discuss; the more suggestions the better. One idea might be enough to spark another and then another.

Positive, constructive criticism and discussion should ensue. There should never be negative feedback to either the person or their suggestions as this will impede the entire process.

This can lead to solutions that no one would have thought of that will enable Ken to narrow his focus on certain issues.

Most of the time the results of this type of brainstorming leads to positive change that will better the program. On the rare occasion that there is not an improvement then that can be brought up for further discussion and suggestions.

There will always be unforeseen issues that arise in the implementation of any change. If these issues are dealt with in a positive and constructive environment the entire process will be a lot easier and the results a lot better.

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No you're just a insulting user.

BTW for the record I take no joy in going at Ken, but he has of late made numerous mistakes in the program by listening to people like yourself and the situation is very close to completely out of hand now as demonstrated by the change to OMB, which has awful ramifications. The list of mistakes has gotten far too long for me to even begin to list.

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He's an insulting user? Isn't that why you were gone while we were discussing this stuff?

Great ASSumption, Ace. That and a buck or two will get you a cup of Joe.

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There seems to be some assumption that once a change is in the rules it has to stay that way forever.  Let's see some constructive discussion about how the rule should read rather than playing the blame game.

Maybe we could attack this by listing out some examples of the kinds of credits we want to track in this category, and the kinds we don't.

I think the rule is going in the proper direction, what needs adjustment are the notes.

For OMB, I would change it to read, "Used for Adapted Screenplays...books, poems, other films, etc."

OCB seems to be fine as screenplays based on characters, aren't adapted.

JMHO.

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Maybe we could attack this by listing out some examples of the kinds of credits we want to track in this category, and the kinds we don't.

Based on a perusal of film credits I have recorded or rejected as OMB:

[many of these have the name of the OMB inserted right before the word "by"]

OMB Yes
Adapted by (someone who shapes original material into screen form but doesn't write the screenplay)
Adapted from the Play [name] by
And the [year] Motion Picture by [this came after "Based Upon the Play by"]
Based on his [name] Plays by
Based on a Novel by
Based on [name] by
Based on the Book by
Based on the Comic Book by
Based on Material by
Based on the Novel by
Based on the Original Musical by
Based on the Play by
Based on the Short Story by
Based on the Stage Play by
Based on the Stories by
Based Upon a French Play by
Based Upon the Books by
Based Upon the Novel by
Based Upon the Play by
Based Upon the Rock Opera by
Based Upon the Stage Play by
Book of the Musical by
Book of the Musical Play by
From a Play by
From a Short Story by
From the Novel by
From the Original by
From the Play by
From the Tragedy by
Story Adaptation

OMB No
Based on Characters Created by > OCB
Based on the Characters from the Novel by > OCB
Based Upon a Story by > Story by
Based Upon Characters Created by > OCB
From the Story by > Story by

You can also remove "Original Material by" as a film credit since I have never seen that in the film credits of a film.

More OMB Yes
Based on/From an Idea by
Based on/From a Premise by

Why do you list "Based on the story by" and "From the story by" under "Story By" rather than "OMB"? 

I would have thought that Story By was for "Story" or "Story By" rather than any of the "based on..." or "from..." credits.

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Here's a specific one that pops up a lot:

Based upon "Star Trek" Created by

I personally prefer "Created by" because the credit is more expansive than just characters, but encompasses an entire alternate universe.

The problem is that there is very often another person credited with "Created By" in these instances.

I do not believe they should get the same credit in DVDP.  That would be a corruption of the data, IMHO.

Personally, I think a "Based on "Star Trek" created by Gene Roddenberry" should get an OMB credit.  I view it as similar to a "Based on an Idea by..." or "Based on a concept by...", both of which would get OMB credits.