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I presume you aren't suggesting that this film does not use standard credits, if you are then you better go watch it.

I would say that this film does not have standard credits because all cast are not listed "together" in the closing credits, but some are seperated by stunt people.

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Agreed. Common sense should prevail.*

*blah blah rabbity blah.

I may not be an expert when it comes to cast and crew but certainly a voice credit is something that should be entered. Fortunately all but 1 seem to agree. 


Quoting scotthm:

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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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I presume you aren't suggesting that this film does not use standard credits, if you are then you better go watch it.

I would say that this film does not have standard credits because all cast are not listed "together" in the closing credits, but some are seperated by stunt people.

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Touché 

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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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I presume you aren't suggesting that this film does not use standard credits, if you are then you better go watch it.

I would say that this film does not have standard credits because all cast are not listed "together" in the closing credits, but some are seperated by stunt people.

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Scott:

Read the definition fopr standard credits.

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LOL, Cass. Nice try. I love it when users selectively quote the rules to try and support an argument.

You may note that I acknowledged in my post that I was selectively quoting but that I felt the principle behind the quoted portion was the same.

Now, as scotthm pointed out, it can be argued that the credits are non-standard, as the cast is not listed together.  Air Bud: Seventh Inning Fetch was another example of the same basic treatment - one part of the cast that we track separated from another part of the cast that we track.

To paraphrase something that is heard around here a lot, this is not Credits Profiler, this is DVD Profiler.  We have chosen not to track stunt persons or gaffers, but we do track voice actors (or in the case Seventh Inning Fetch animal actors).  The credits appear on the DVD, in a form that we track.

I.E. -> the actor is credited -> we track that type of credit -> enter the actor.

It would be wrong to enter the actor as uncredited, since there is clearly an on-screen credit.  Therefore...

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"For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film

Yes, I know.  Since all credited actors are not listed "together", but are seperated by some crew people, then these credits are non-standard.

Thank you for your opinion.

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The Rule does not allow for that, Scott. thank you for playing. You're wrong.

Please define "non-standard" credits for me.  I know they must exist, because we have rules for dealing with them.

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I hate to fall back on this, but I think I have a better clue than YOU as to what that means.

I know you think so.  Nevertheless...

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When you choose a selectibve reading of the rules scott, you ignore or lose the context.

BTW the following part of the Rule is not applicable to this issue

"For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.  Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead."

Nor is the remainder of the cast Rule
"In addition to the above, the following rules should be followed:

    * For animated films or voice-only roles, use the "Voice" checkbox.
    * If puppeteers are included in the end credits include them and append (puppeteer) at the end of the role.
    * If an actor name is only a first name or stage name enter it entirely in the first name field. Examples are Cher, Madonna, Cedric the Entertainer & Queen Latifah.
    * If an actor's credited name includes a nickname, highlighted by ", ’ or ( ), list it in the middle name field. For example John "JS" Smith, John ‘JS’ Smith or John (JS) Smith
    * Articles (such as de, de la, di, von) are entered in the appropriate name field along with the name that they precede. Use the film credits to determine whether the actor capitalizes this article or not.
    * Uncredited actors may be listed in alphabetical order following all credited actors. Use the "Uncredited" checkbox to indicate these. Uncredited actors are not required entries.
    * Do not translate foreign language role names to the language of the locality unless a translation is provided in the film credits.
    * Do not include artificial actor entries to act as separators between cast lists. (e.g. "--JAPANESE CAST--"), instead use the Divider feature for this.

Do not list actors and crew who appear only in special features, or whose scenes were deleted from the main feature, even if they appear in special features."

I would include the voice role and I would remain quite capable of discerning that doing so should not cause me to enter gaffers and acountants.