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I'm confused too.  Are we now NOT to trust DVDProfiler to analyze the DVD?  Is this lack of "trust" in the program only for layer information, or DiscID, or both?

And if we do indeed "trust" DVDProfiler to read the DiscID correctly, then what's the problem with the trust level in it identifying the number of layers?  As a programmer myself, I'm guessing this is a driver level API call (both for DiscID and layers), and will be the same for ANY program you use, so "verifying" this information with 2 or more programs (DVDProfiler and PowerDVD for example) is completely unnecessary.

Color me confused....  Perhaps Ken can elaborate, and put certain minds at ease.

Poo

I Fling, i don't, I am not saying you should not. But i am saying that you should, since, unlike the DiscID, it can be manually set, Then i want to KNOW how you determined it. That's not hard, you are overthinking it and don't understand the difference between NOT being able to modify the DIscID but you can the Layer.

I think that there are far too few who understand or even CARE about the value of Contribution Notes and how important it is that they be clear, concise and complete and documented.

I have explained it many times, YOUR notes are our bibliography. If I wrote a book and created a bibliography along the lines of somer of our notes, would you be inclined to believe what i wrote. I certainly would not.

Notes are not for you, my notes are not for ME, my notes are for you both NOW to vote on and in the future if someone wants to refer to those notes, that is why I provide the detail that I provide, including ACTUAL Crew Roles where necessary. You might as I do be using the ACTUAL crew roles, and I make it easy for you to copy that data, or you might not be doing so NOW, but decide 6 months now that it's a good idea...guess what the data will be there for you to copy if you wish. And I really hope that my data is meaningful 6 months or years from now, that YOU will be able to look at the data and the Notes and understand what was done and why it was done and here is the documentation as necessary.

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Quoting Jubal:

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James:
If you don't think the Rules say to provide documentation (verification) then you cannot read, try reading the INTRODUCTION. Good grief the lengths you will go to to excuse your garbage, including your own inventions of Rules that do not exist and never have.

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The introduction calls for us to verify specifications printed on the cover. DVD Profiler does that automatically for Disc IDs and layers.

Quoting Jubal:

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I ju8st read the rest of your post and it confirms my belief in your failure to read AND comprehend.

Thanks for reading the rest of my post.

Quoting Jubal:

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BTW James did you bother to report that as soon as you provided support and i saw it, I changed my vote...No, of course you would not do that, because that flies contrary to your efforts.

My efforts are to get the contribution approved.

Quoting Jubal:

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Documemnt you are doing and i won't argue with you, the rules say to provide verification whenever possible.

That's not what the rules say.

Quoting Jubal:

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I have explained the difference between discID and the Layer. We cannot edit the Disc ID even IF I were to find out that it was wrong, and I have enough tools here to do that, the same is NOT true of Layer tick box, that can be manually modified. Since that is true, James how am I to know that you simply allowed Profiler to fill it in, My Magic 8 Ball doesn't work THAT well. But more importantly I have seen occassions where for some reason i haven't isolated Profiler will sometimes read the Layer wrong. It doesn't happen often, but I have seen it and i don't know if it is tied to soemthing I am doing or a flaw in the program somewhere, which is why I haven' reported it yet. I just know it happens sometimes.

Why don't we consider actual examples where the program has made an error rather than deal in mysteries.

Quoting Jubal:

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<shakes heads> Like I said the extremes that you wll go to, are you in a union or something, that would certainly explain your "do no more than you absolutely have to" attitude. Along with your desire to skate right on the edge of the Rules and create your own when you can. Lame, james, very lame.

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It's amazing that you think it's acceptable to make posts such as this.

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As I noted that is perfectly OK, but add that you got it from Proiler. Simply because as I noted, there is a bifg difference the Disc ID and the Layer, one is not only automatic but is also uneditable, the other can be automatic but is also editable. The fact that is user-esditable is all the difference, without a comment how do we KNOW whether you are accpeting what Profiler says or perhaps creating your own edit.

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Quoting Jubal:

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James: 
With all due respect, i am not going to adress you anymore, you clearly have reading comprehension problem, plus you believe that you can create your own Rules  and you frankly just aren't worth the effort anymore. I have grown far too weary of your inanity. <throws up arms> You see things that are there and deny them and invent things that aren't there and then spin to justify it. You are completely illogical.

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Inanity?

How about "Add Disc" and "Set". The program is pretty easy to use.

I tried to stay out of this, but I can't.  I have gone through the rules, line by line, more times than I can count.  Verification methods are only required in 4 areas...running time, regions, video format and audio format.  It is also required, as mentioned in the contribution notes section, when you have verified there is a discrepancy between the box and the actual content of the DVD.

Yes, we have to verify that the data is correct but, for everything else, all we have to do is enter full explanations for all changes and/or additions that you make.  The problem with that is, what constitutes a full explanation, depends on your point of view.  Would I have done it the way James did?  Probably not, but that doesn't mean his way is wrong nor does it mean he is violating the rules.  All it means is that his standard is different than mine. 

Not at all, achim, it is one user being ABISED by others, including you. I wnat verification of the owrk, and i will not allow James, nor any other user to not do so, nor will I allow James to make up Rules that do not exist, or incorrectly talk about Rules as he is want to do. Shall I talk about one Rule which James not only invented but delinberately ignored the ACTUAL Rule.

"SRP
Use the SRP (Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price) at the time of the DVD’s original release using the currency type matching the locality of the DVD. Do not change the SRP in DVD Profiler to reflect reductions in SRP that distributors make in continually over time following release. Ensure the currency type matches the locality of the DVD. Do not make contributions with changes of a few cents/pence to the SRP."

That is only one. James has a problem understanding that the Rule specifically states "Do not make contributions with changes of a few cents/pence to the SRP." But he allowed a user to make a change of 1 penny, completely ignoring the Rule, and further spun it to claim that he could when the facts are not supported by the Rule.

There are many such examples with James, Achim...MANY. He calims to follow the Rules, the facts say OTHERWISE.

This case was a good example, I initially voted No and simply requested verification, after 36 hours I added a bit of sarcasm, hoping that would grab his attention, after another day of ignoring the request, I blasted him, that finally got response. His first response was apparently to come cry about it here, then he finally edited his notes and i was able to immediately vote Yes, and please note that I did vote YES, I did not change my vote neutral as I have pointed out that James has done once his issue gets addressed.

He likes to complain about being insulted yet he never stops to think that the reason he gets poked is because he is insulting himself. It's a two way street, Achim. I am but a mirror i will give what I get.

James continues to ignore the Rules and create bizarre interpretations of them along with creating his own Rules and I refuse to accept it, from him or anyone else.

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Quoting Jubal:

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I have explained the difference between discID and the Layer. We cannot edit the Disc ID even IF I were to find out that it was wrong, and I have enough tools here to do that, the same is NOT true of Layer tick box, that can be manually modified.

While i understand the need for documentation, i find it very unlikely someone would use dvd-profiler for disd-id and then untick or tick the checkbox while profiler already added this info. Why would someone do that if profiler already fills it in? It doesn't make sense, you really suspect people would willingly add incorrect info? Sorry, but i think there has of be some level of trust betweenusers.

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