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That is, however, in direct conflict what Ken said. You might feel the spaces are implicit even when you don't see them, but as you can see, the lack or presence of a space results in completely different ways of profiling the credit. So we do differentiate based on just that minor difference. How would this be any different? It all boils down to the bit of the rules that says to "list names exactly as they are in the credits." Exactly, in this case, means: no space on the screen, no space in DVD Profiler (at least not in the "credited as" field).

In typography you do not have one space or no space. There are used many different spaces of different width. We do have a space after the initials. It's just not as wide.

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That is, however, in direct conflict what Ken said. You might feel the spaces are implicit even when you don't see them, but as you can see, the lack or presence of a space results in completely different ways of profiling the credit. So we do differentiate based on just that minor difference. How would this be any different? It all boils down to the bit of the rules that says to "list names exactly as they are in the credits." Exactly, in this case, means: no space on the screen, no space in DVD Profiler (at least not in the "credited as" field).

In typography you do not have one space or no space. There are used many different spaces of different width. We do have a space after the initials. It's just not as wide.

This isn't typography, or typography Profiler, it is DVDProfiler.

Skip<shakes head>

I know is this has nothing to do with this cóntribute to do but can anybody say if
senior visual effects supervisor get credited as visual effects

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That is, however, in direct conflict what Ken said. You might feel the spaces are implicit even when you don't see them, but as you can see, the lack or presence of a space results in completely different ways of profiling the credit. So we do differentiate based on just that minor difference. How would this be any different? It all boils down to the bit of the rules that says to "list names exactly as they are in the credits." Exactly, in this case, means: no space on the screen, no space in DVD Profiler (at least not in the "credited as" field).

In typography you do not have one space or no space. There are used many different spaces of different width. We do have a space after the initials. It's just not as wide.

This isn't typography, or typography Profiler, it is DVDProfiler.

Skip<shakes head>

Indeed. I'll grant RHo that typography sometimes complicates things a little, but again, Ken specifically devised completely different methods of entry based on either the lack or presence of a space. If you claim that there's ALWAYS a space ("just not as wide"), Ken's entire decision and implemented filter would be rather pointless, wouldn't it? Instead he told us to differentiate based on whether or not there's a visible space. Again: that's not just my preference - it's what Ken told us to do. You are, of course, perfectly welcome to ignore these things locally, but for contribution purposes, we don't. And I daresay that if there's one good example of a "no space"-variant, it would be this one. As such, this applies here.

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Rho:

There you go again.

You said "based on the famous play by" is not listed in the rules. Without some clarification or rules change from Invelos it is not contributable.

And you are WRONG. You will notice that the Rules for OMB state "Adapted from another medium." A PLAY is a different medium from film, as would be a book, a poem, a song, etc.

Skip

Nowhere do the rules allow to use a "role name" which does not match the ones listed in the "credited as" or "role name" columns except when it's a direct translation. Here we need the clarification. If "direct translation" includes functional equivalents, then we could add functional equivalent roles based on the "notes" column. If not, we can't and the rules should be changed to allow them.

In older films the terms often differ from the actual ones. This seems to be the U.K. film THE GHOST TRAIN from 1941.

So here are my suggestions for the writing credits:

Based on the famous play by
ARNOLD RIDLEY

"Play" means a theatre peace, which is an adaption from another medium. So therefore  it should be "Original Material By".

(We don't have "Famous Original Material By", haven't we?  )

Scenario
J.O.C.ORTON

"Scenario" is an equivalent to "Script" / "Story", used in the 30's and 40's, so therefore it should be "Story By".
(scenario means Screenplay only in French or Italian films, RHo. But it is a British film.)

Dialogue:
VAL GUEST
MARRIOTT ELGAR

"Dialogue" is what is still missing when you already have some original material and a script. The last thing you need to shoot the first take of the film is dialogue which makes this term a "Screenplay".


It is up to your decision, ninehours, whether to submit it or to keep it local. You may feel some contrary wind when submitting because the rules are not very clear on that. But from a logical point of view it obviously should be correct.

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Rho:

There you go again.

You said "based on the famous play by" is not listed in the rules. Without some clarification or rules change from Invelos it is not contributable.

And you are WRONG. You will notice that the Rules for OMB state "Adapted from another medium." A PLAY is a different medium from film, as would be a book, a poem, a song, etc.

Skip

He is making the same point that Hal and surfeur are attempting to make.  That point being, the credit HAS to be listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns.  If it isn't, it can't be entered.  It doesn't matter what the notes say.  It doesn't matter that there is no such credit as 'Original Material by'.  It only matters that the role be listed in one of those columns.

I have a hard time believing that is what Ken intended but, for some people, it makes perfect sense.