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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote: I generally don't care about uncredited cast in newer movies because they're mostly just walk-on cameos or very minor parts, but for older movies they can make up the majority of the cast and I wouldn't want to lose that. I fully concur, especially since a significant part of my collection falls into this category! | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting Patsa:
Quote: I generally don't care about uncredited cast in newer movies because they're mostly just walk-on cameos or very minor parts, but for older movies they can make up the majority of the cast and I wouldn't want to lose that.
I fully concur, especially since a significant part of my collection falls into this category! That reminds me Hal, our collections are very similar. How do you know all that uncredited data is any good? I haven't been able to figure out a way but I was hoping maybe you have. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting Patsa:
Quote: I generally don't care about uncredited cast in newer movies because they're mostly just walk-on cameos or very minor parts, but for older movies they can make up the majority of the cast and I wouldn't want to lose that.
I fully concur, especially since a significant part of my collection falls into this category! That reminds me Hal, our collections are very similar. How do you know all that uncredited data is any good? I haven't been able to figure out a way but I was hoping maybe you have. No, I don't know if a lot of it is correct or not. On the other hand, I do know that a lot of it is correct. I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: (... a lot of good reasoning removed ...)
I don't vote 'no' against this kind of data removal. I just vote neutral and think it's a sad state of affairs that we've come to. For the very same reasons, I usually vote "no" on unverified removal of uncredited cast. | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting m.cellophane:
Quote: (... a lot of good reasoning removed ...)
I don't vote 'no' against this kind of data removal. I just vote neutral and think it's a sad state of affairs that we've come to. For the very same reasons, I usually vote "no" on unverified removal of uncredited cast. Me too. I'm all in favor of stripping uncredited "scenes deleted" entries (not allowed) or those that don't have a role name associated with it (pointless to the extreme), but any other unexplained wholesale removal gets a no-vote from me every time. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,774 |
| Posted: | | | | "Yes, but let us start all over with good documenation." |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | Actually some of us have been doing uncredited documentation for quite some time now and also back on the old site before it became Invelos. So just because it may be an old profile that was carried over doesn't mean it didn't have documentation or doesn't contain valid data.
It's too bad Ken can't import (merge) all our old contribution notes into the existing contribution notes. | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | For those wondering how we can document a negative, I do this:
I do a google search for the person's name and either the name of the film or resume (CV). If nothing shows on the first 4 pages that looks reliable or trustworthy I remove the credit and add the comment "unable to find reliable source for uncredited" to my notes.
I haven't done it often, but every time I have I've never had a no vote. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote: Actually some of us have been doing uncredited documentation for quite some time now and also back on the old site before it became Invelos. So just because it may be an old profile that was carried over doesn't mean it didn't have documentation or doesn't contain valid data.
It's too bad Ken can't import (merge) all our old contribution notes into the existing contribution notes. Tracer: I still have access to all of the old Intervocative files and I ALWAYS review them for such documentation before taking any action. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,033 |
| Posted: | | | | Some people need to take a step back and breath for a second. This is a discussion among users and Ken hasn't even taken a stance in it, all he's done is take steps to help stop propagating undocumented uncredited entries in new profiles.
Additionally, if the type of documentation that northbloke mentions he has used is adequate for the removal, then there really isn't even a problem, as I would think that there would be at least one or two reliable sources to provide if the uncredited is valid so the bad data could be removed. and if someone does have proof they can say so in their no vote and the contributor can add that to the contribution notes.
what we really need is a way to add documentation for uncredited data after the fact so we can put some sources behind whats there. Or maybe have a note tied to an uncredited entry where the source can be attached, this would allow for an uncredited entry you have in your local with no source to not even be contributed while the ones that have sources would be allowed (kind of like the checkbox but for each entry) Additionally, this would allow this interesting information to be seen right from the program's cast section.
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 693 |
| Posted: | | | | I like it the way it is now. If someone actually took the time & effort in order to document them, Why do we need to remove them? Sounds very odd in my book. That said, If there aren't any sufficient documentation then, and only then, we may remove them.
That's basically my two cents in this matter. | | | October 12th, 1985. Tonight, a comedian died in New York. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Quoting m.cellophane:
Quote: (... a lot of good reasoning removed ...)
I don't vote 'no' against this kind of data removal. I just vote neutral and think it's a sad state of affairs that we've come to. For the very same reasons, I usually vote "no" on unverified removal of uncredited cast. Me too. I'm all in favor of stripping uncredited "scenes deleted" entries (not allowed) or those that don't have a role name associated with it (pointless to the extreme), but any other unexplained wholesale removal gets a no-vote from me every time. From this quote from Ken, all one has to do is say that the uncredited is a close match with a third party and there is no listed documentation: Quoting Ken Cole:Quote: Uncredited should only be removed where they are a match with a third party database. Note that they do not have to be an exact match. If they are a close match with any third party database, and there is no listed justification, it's safe to remove them. Therefore, sadly I don't think there's much we can do about this practice. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't think I have seen a single attempt, of undocumented removal of uncredited cast, succeed. Maybe I am just lucky and the people who vote on the same titles I vote on are all on the same page. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: I don't think I have seen a single attempt, of undocumented removal of uncredited cast, succeed. Maybe I am just lucky and the people who vote on the same titles I vote on are all on the same page. Me neither. There's usually a slew of no-votes, and the screeners seem to decline it every single time - and rightfully so. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,796 |
| Posted: | | | | I suggested a long time ago that the uncredited cast be a option separate list. So if you want or don't use uncredited casts you have the option. Yes, some of film credits can even be wrong, but at least it's one agreed source.
When it comes to data in a data bases I don't trust any of it. If a human did it, I question it. I don't care who it is or what certificate or how many degrees they have.
Example of just how little data is checked that goes into data bases. My dog was diabetic, as soon as I got her prescription, from a vet, filled, I started getting insulin spam in the mail box and internet. The insulin for dogs and humans can be the same. You ever try to get the government to correct an error, ha.
I don't know what sources people use for the uncredited casts because I don't mess with them or care about them. If they are there I leave them alone. Why, because it is just one more #$!%$!@# thing for people to haggle over and life is too short. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own. Ineptocracy, You got to love it. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
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