I would like just once for north to stop twisting the Rules and just go with what they say, which is what he should do since he has no basis for interpretation. The Rule is clear, it is also very definitive and cannot be interpreted as north tries to, though rational logic has never stopped him before.

AS I said, Neill I am undecided on this but North's repeated and continual pretelization of the Rules to entertain himself tends to make me turn away. However, i will play with the concept and try and come up with an opinion or negatives, if i can see any.

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I voted no. Primarily because I don't like the use of dividers for anything else than to separate episodes/movies. But if I look beyond that point I also have some additional concerns

Wouldn't allowing this also open the door for doing the same with sound crew? Those are also sometimes under company headers.

How would you suggest to use the dividers for TV series? TV series also use effects companies and the credits are usually set up in the same way as movies.

I can understand the concerns about sound crew - but have there been situations where multiple sound companies have worked on a film? Would it be a big deal if it was allowed for sound companies too?
Similarly with TV series, how often do multiple companies work on a series? Or in that situation were you more worried about the dividers getting messy? I'm guessing it would look something like this:

Episode 1
crew
crew
crew
Visual FX Co.
crew
crew
Visual FX Ltd.
crew
crew
Episode 2
crew
crew
crew
Visual FX Co.
crew
crew

and so on...

Quoting northbloke:

Quote:

Episode 1
crew
crew
crew
Visual FX Co.
crew
crew
Visual FX Ltd.
crew
crew
Episode 2
crew
crew
crew
Visual FX Co.
crew
crew

and so on...

And how will you see the difference on an effect company divider and an episode divider? They look exactly the same. Should you end an episode block with an empty divider to show more clearly that this is the end of the episode?

I guess it ends up with me being against using the divider for things inside a crew/cast list.

I could agree on this if we were given a new kind of divider or group feature (something that I've requested several times) to be used for group roles like the one in Amadeus. Such a divider could also be used for the Effects companies. (The way I imagine how it would work is that the group role is shown at the same level as the rest of the cast/crew list, but the people under it would be indented) As the program is now, I don't like the request.

It is interesting to see how opinions change over the passing of time. Back in 2007, I posted this poll in the contributions forum.
The results were was overwhelmingly against using dividers for any unit/location/special editon crew. Since then, there have been several profiles approved with SE crew added with a divider. I started that poll to get some concensus for trying to develope rules for dividers in the rules committee forum in this thread.

I support using dividers to separate crew sections, and would support using them for special effects companies to capture their name if there is at least 1 valid crew credit listed for that company. I don't see any value in adding a company divider just to get the company name if there aren't any crew credits that would be listed below it. My preference though, would be for another type of divider, if Ken should decide to give us that.

Quoting antolod:

Quote:
It is interesting to see how opinions change over the passing of time. Back in 2007, I posted this poll in the contributions forum.
The results were was overwhelmingly against using dividers for any unit/location/special editon crew. Since then, there have been several profiles approved with SE crew added with a divider. I started that poll to get some concensus for trying to develope rules for dividers in the rules committee forum in this thread.

I support using dividers to separate crew sections, and would support using them for special effects companies to capture their name if there is at least 1 valid crew credit listed for that company. I don't see any value in adding a company divider just to get the company name if there aren't any crew credits that would be listed below it. My preference though, would be for another type of divider, if Ken should decide to give us that.

I don't think opinions have changed that much, I'm still against the inclusion of any type of unit crew -which I understand was what that poll was about.
Unless of course your argument is that because more than one visual FX company was involved then no one person worked on the whole of the film, only sections, and so could be considered unit crew. It's an interesting idea, and is probably worth discussing more.
One thing I definitely agree with is that if this is introduced then we need strict rules as to how it should be applied. I personally would insist one at least two companies being involved and at least one valid credit under each company before dividers are used.

Have you tried a test contribution, for example of your Charlie and the Chocolate Factory profile?
I'd be interested to know whether the voters and screeners also believe that dividers are "credits".

Not good, Martin. Based on what I am seeing in terms of data I am becoming increasingly convinced  that Open credits are the only answer, that way dividers would at least make sense, they still would not link but they would make sense. The Art section is rapidly becoming a nightmare, at least now we can stop complaining about the large amount of Sound data.

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