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Rating system when Not Rated
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Some of us sees value in the information.

What information? At best it's data - not information.

And what about a Not Rated direct-to-video feature? What rating system would that have been not-rated by?

The whole thing makes just as much sense as this old ditty:

As I was going up the stair.
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today.
I wish, I wish he'd stay away.
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Some of us sees value in the information.

What information? At best it's data - not information.

And what about a Not Rated direct-to-video feature? What rating system would that have been not-rated by?

The whole thing makes just as much sense as this old ditty:

As I was going up the stair.
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today.
I wish, I wish he'd stay away.


We get it! You see no value in it. So be it. Others do, so give it a rest already .
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Some of us sees value in the information.

What information? At best it's data - not information.


I personally don't care if you want to call it information or data... what you need to realize is that some of us do see value in it... if you don't that is fine. But it seems like you are trying to block the information (or for you data) from those that wants it.

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And what about a Not Rated direct-to-video feature? What rating system would that have been not-rated by?


Huh? what about it? if it is a direct to video movie it is a film. Nothing in the rating systems says it has to be theatrical. Here in Region 1 US Locality we have 2 rating systems Film and television... you use the system that is appropriate. If it is a series/Miniseries/Movie that originally aired on TV it gets a Television rating system... if it isn't it gets Film.
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It's just as meaningless as if I would enter the audio track for the silent Cabinet of Dr. Caligari as being German because if there had in fact been dialog in the movie, it would have been in German.

It's the same thing. It isn't rated - but if it had been rated it would have been rated by this or that system.

And what if a direct-to-video film gets shown on Television? Should the rating be changed from Not Rated - Film to Not Rated - Television? If not, then apparently the order of how it is shown determines the Rating System. On TV first then on DVD = Not Rated - Television. On DVD first then on Television = Not Rated - Film.

I fail to see how this translates into any useful information. You say it does, so I guess it does for you. I would dearly love to have this explained, though.
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It is plain as it is a TV related release so we use the TV Rating System. It is more accurate then a TV Series release using the Film Rating System. And... TO ME PERSONALLY... More Accurate = More Useful. Especially once we can use the filters and such on the ratings better then we can now.

As I said... it doesn't for you... but it does for some of us. But it seems like* you think since it don't make any sense to you... then that is all you care about... who cares if others find it accurate and useful.

* Note: That I said it seems like... I am not trying to put words in your mouth... only saying how your reaction to it looks.
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Pete,

You should note what I said in my second post in this thread:
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I don't mind people changing it as part of a wider contribution. I just feel that it's not really useful to clutter the contribution system with this change alone.

That should tell you that I don't mind the information per se. I felt it didn't add significant information that warranted a contribution just for the sole reason of changing this - as I perceive it -  "non-information".

In my mind, there is no difference between not rating a film and not rating a TV show. It wasn't rated, period.

I see that I'm flogging a dead horse, so I'll just give one last example of how meaningless I see this:
- Did you go to town today?
- No
- Which road did you not take when you didn't go; the high road or the low road?

From now I'll accept that no one else seems to see this the way I do, and I'll vote yes to these changes without any more complaints. Thanks to all for not turning this thread into mudslinging, though, as seems to happen in so many other threads where people have different opinions.
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Ideally, if the content is not rated, the rating system should be undefined. But I guess the program doesn't accept that, you have to pick one or the other and in that case you should pick the most relevant one.
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Oy, circular logic..you gotta love it.

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This is making my head hurt.

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At least it's not as bad as when someone tries to submit rating details for an unrated title.
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What information? At best it's data - not information.

Since when is data not information (or information not data)?  To me the words are synonyms.
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What information? At best it's data - not information.

Since when is data not information (or information not data)?  To me the words are synonyms.


To me, information is what you see in data. 
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Since when is data not information (or information not data)?  To me the words are synonyms.

Actually no. 01001101 is data, for example. In order to turn it into information you need to know what that data represents.
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In that GSyren is correct - information is data that has meaning.  Information is data that has been organized, structured, given context and interpreted to be relevant.  Data must be interpreted and processed to have any meaning - look at statistics.  Those numbers are data, but without understanding their context, the actual numbers are useless.  Data must also be correct to become information, so changing rating type to television helps turn the NR data into information.

(MS in library & information science, had to study this crap in school.)
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Yup... he has now made it part of the rating system... as well as kept it part of the genres. I personally am happy with it the way it is now... showing in both places. But if Ken chooses to remove it from the genre I am ok with that. Though I would like to be able to filter between Television Releases and Film Releases (without needing to use tags that is).


I wouldn't mind the loss of the TV genre -- only if the ratings field were expanded a bit to take advantage of it.  First, we would need to add the field for all localities, even those without TV ratings.  Maybe instead of just listing a TV or Film rating, it could also mark the type of production itself, adding something like Live Performance (for sports, concerts, stand-up comedy, etc.) and Shorts (for shorts, music videos, theatrical cartoons, etc.). Maybe even add something like Direct-to-Video and altering the Film rating to Theatrical Features to differentiate the types.
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For knowing that it was made for Television, we have Television as a genre.

The Film/Television rating system just tells us what rating system was used. If it's Not Rated, then no rating system was used. So it's pretty meaningless information.

I don't mind people changing it as part of a wider contribution. I just feel that it's not really useful to clutter the contribution system with this change alone.


I completely agree with you - this change adds no value and is not significant when it's Not Rated.
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